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Caleb Gray
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    Why 'Choose Faith Over Fear' Is Making Your Anxiety Worse | Luke Kjolhaug

    13/10/2026 | 1h 2 mins.
    Pastor and author Luke Kjolhaug talks the truth about anxiety, the fear of being known, FOMO, and why love — not courage — is the real antidote to fear!Luke Kjolhaug is a Lutheran pastor based in central Minnesota and a former civil engineer who followed God's call to ministry over a decade ago. His new book, Fear Not: How the Gospel Disrupts Our Deepest Anxieties, tackles the root spiritual causes of fear and anxiety in a culture where mental health struggles are reaching every demographic.He explains:■ Why courage is the wrong antidote to fear, according to 1 John 4■ Why showing only your highlight reel keeps you imprisoned in anxiety■ Why FOMO is secretly linked to the commandment against coveting■ The Christus Victor lens that finally freed him from anxiety-driven guilt■ Why "fear not" in scripture is a life-giving word, not a crushing command

    Chapters
    0:00 Fear Crops God Out
    1:58 Meet Luke Chellog, Pastor & Author
    6:03 Writing the Book "Fear Not"
    9:30 Fear's Spiritual Root
    16:07 Christus Victor & Anxiety's Relief
    22:16 Love, Not Courage, Casts Out Fear
    24:33 The Fear of Being Known
    33:00 Pastoral Vulnerability Done Wisely
    44:07 "Fear Not" as Command or Comfort?
    46:19 Fearing the Right Things
    49:04 FOMO, Coveting & Contentment
    57:43 Tribe's Unpleasant Truth

    Grab a copy of his book here - https://www.amazon.com/Fear-Not-Disrupts-Deepest-Anxieties-ebook/dp/B0H7FD3VLT
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    The Real Reason Christians Keep Losing The Culture War | Justin Giboney

    15/09/2026 | 1h 2 mins.
    Justin E. Giboney, founder of the AND Campaign, reveals the truth about Christian political identity, the civil rights movement's forgotten theology, and why compassion without conviction is failing the church today!

    Justin Giboney is an attorney, political strategist, and ordained minister based in Atlanta, Georgia. As co-founder and president of the AND Campaign, he has spent over a decade building a biblical framework for Christian civic engagement. His new book, Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around, recovers the orthodox theology behind the civil rights movement to challenge today's culture wars.

    He explains:
    ■ Why choosing a political side is not the same as choosing the right position
    ■ Why the civil rights movement was orthodox and Bible-believing, not progressively ideological
    ■ Why conviction without justice discredits the church just as much as justice without truth
    ■ The real reason Christians stay silent when their own party gets it wrong
    ■ Why seeing your opponents as irredeemable is the surest way to become what you're fighting

    Chapter Markers:
    0:00 Christianity Beyond the Moment
    1:27 Justin's Faith Journey
    5:56 Founding the AND Campaign
    8:06 Right Positions, Not Just Sides
    13:19 Civil Rights Church as Model
    17:23 When Ideology Replaces Faith
    21:44 Truth, Compassion, and Courage
    27:39 Fighting Evil Without Becoming It
    40:01 Writing "Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around"
    46:59 Restoring Christ to the Conversation
    53:29 Fred Shuttlesworth's Unpigeonholed Faith
    56:33 Principles Over Election Cycles
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    The Church Is Teaching You To Follow People, Not Jesus | Michael Moore (The Honest Youth Pastor)

    01/09/2026 | 1h 15 mins.
    Known online as The Honest Youth Pastor, Michael Moore reveals how getting fired from his church sparked a 12-year social media movement, the 3 questions he uses to evaluate any sermon, and the dangerous phrases spreading through the church that sound Christian but aren’t. He also shares the regret that changed how he understands the gospel — not what happened to him, but how long it took him to realise what the gospel actually meant for his own life.

    Michael Moore is a bi-vocational pastor and creator behind The Honest Youth Pastor. With nearly 12 years of ministry and online content, he created the Sermon Review Guide to help ordinary believers think critically about the preaching they hear each week.

    We dive into:
    ◼️ The 3 simple questions every Christian can use to evaluate a sermon
    ◼️ How online discipleship can quietly teach Christians to hate those they disagree with
    ◼️ The Christian-sounding phrases that can actually point to something far from Christ
    ◼️ One of his deepest preaching regrets

    To find out more about Michael and his work - www.thehonestyouthpastor.com
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    “I Should Have Gone off the Rails” - A Wallaby’s Story of Faith

    28/07/2026 | 1h
    Wallabies hooker Brandon Paenga-Amosa reveals how he laid his rugby boots on the altar and told God to take them if He wanted and why the greatest measure of wealth, he says, is creating a home filled with love, faith, and a table his family never stops returning to.Brandon Paenga-Amosa is a professional rugby hooker who plays for the Western Force and represents Australia with the Wallabies. A product of Hillsong Leadership College before signing his first professional contract in 2017, he has since played against the All Blacks at Eden Park, helped beat South Africa at Ellis Park in a result that hadn't been achieved in over 60 years, and featured in Test wins over England at Twickenham. He is currently preparing for the Wallabies' upcoming tour to Japan and has his sights set on a Rugby World Cup appearance.

    He shares:◼️ The unexpected youth-group invitation that changed everything◼️ The brutal crossroads of semi-pro rugby vs full-time ministry◼️ Why he literally placed his boots on the altar and surrendered◼️ Raising three kids under four while living the pro-athlete life◼️ Unlearning childhood trauma so he doesn’t pass it on◼️ How he measures true wealth: a home where his kids (and their kids) always want to return

    Follow his story here - @beepeeaye
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    Are Churches Making Disciples or Consumers? | Alastair Roberts & Rory Shiner

    07/07/2026 | 1h 55 mins.
    Is the modern church accidentally creating consumers instead of disciples? Theologian Alastair Roberts and pastor Rory Shiner reveal why churches are struggling to form committed followers of Jesus, how consumer culture has quietly reshaped Christian community, and why a local sports club may understand discipleship better than many Sunday services.
    Alastair Roberts is an independent theologian working with the Theophilus Institute and Davenant Institute, known for his work in theology, church history, liturgy, and cultural criticism. Rory Shiner is a Perth-based pastor and author who has spent years doing the ordinary, difficult work of building a local church.
    They explain:
    ◼ Why many churches have unintentionally trained people to be consumers instead of participants—and how worship shifted from something people do to something people watch
    ◼ Why “what you win them with is what you win them to” and how low expectations can create churches where commitment never grows
    ◼ Why Jesus formed people through practices, habits, and embodied action—and why our hearts often follow what we repeatedly do
    ◼ What a grass-roots sports club reveals about koinonia, sacrifice, and belonging—and why genuine community requires everyone to have “skin in the game”
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About Upside Down People
Every week on Upside Down People Podcast we’ll have authentic conversations with Jesus-loving people diving into some aspect of faith, life, history, culture, politics & more and, with curiosity, our hope is to discover the truth of a living a life marked by the love of Jesus. We would love to hear from you!! If you have a guest/topic suggestion or want to find out how you can support the show email us at www.upsidedownpeople.org/contact-us
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