676: Classroom Culture Wars & the Spirituality of Secular America with Rachel Martin
With Phil on vacation, Kaitlyn and Esau join Skye to talk about the Supreme Court’s ruling that public schools must allow students to opt out of gender or sexuality content that may contradict the religious beliefs of their families. At the same time, more Americans say public schools should hire chaplains to offer spiritual guidance to students. With schools increasingly becoming the front line in the culture war, can public education survive? Then, Skye talks to Rachel Martin, the co-creator of NPR’s Wild Card podcast and former host of Morning Edition, about what she’s learned from interviewing artists, actors, and activists about their beliefs. She offers an intriguing glimpse into the spirituality of secular America. Also this week—the internet is full of bad advice about “toxic” relationships.  Use Promo Code “Book” to get 20% off your first subscription to Holy Post Plus!  Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Rachel Martin: https://www.patreon.com/posts/133035879/  Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/133029177/  0:00 - Show Starts  2:30 - Theme Song  2:50 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to https://glorify-app.com/en/HOLYPOST to download the app today!  3:55 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at https://www.rocketmoney.com/HOLYPOST  5:02 - LGBTQ Schoolbook Opt-Outs  27:12 - Who’s Toxic?  35:18 - Did We Jettison Forgiveness?  47:16 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/HOLYPOST  48:35 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month  49:45 - Interview  55:00 - Staying Informed without Burnout  59:30 - Rachel’s Spiritual Background  1:13:52 - The Wild Card podcast and Spirituality  1:27:32 - End Credits  Links from News Segment: Court’s Ruling on Parents Opting Out of LGBTQ books in Schools: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/27/us/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-books.html  Majority of Americans Support Chaplains in Schools: https://www.foxnews.com/media/majority-adults-support-religious-chaplains-public-schools-new-report-shows  Other Resources: Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/  Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus  Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost  Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop  The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Â
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675: Iran, End Times, & the Political God Gap with Senator Chris Coons
Nothing fires up the End Times industry faster than America dropping bombs in the Middle East. After President Trump decided to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities this weekend, YouTube was flooded with convoluted and contradictory videos on the biblical implications of the war. But if this really is a prelude to Christ’s return, as many online end timers claim, why are they stoking panic and fear? Shouldn’t Christians welcome this news? Skye talks to Senator Chris Coons about how his faith informs his politics, why he went to divinity school, and what the Democrats can do to close the “God gap” in politics. Also this week—courts struck down the Louisiana law requiring the 10 Commandments to be posted in every public school classroom, and the real origin of “honky dory.”  Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/132203951/edit  0:00 - Show Starts  3:16 - Theme Song  3:40 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to https://www.policygenius.com/HOLYPOST to find the right life insurance for you  4:53 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout.  7:11 - Protesting While in Red States  16:07 - End Times Prophecies and Iran  22:30 - Mark Driscoll and the Manosphere  26:26 - Louisiana and the 10 Commandments  37:44 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month  38:52 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to https://www.fromourplace.com and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware!  40:02 - Interview  42:36 - US Involvement in the Middle East  50:20 - Divinity School and Public Service  57:37 - The God Gap  1:08:35 - End Credits  Links from News Segment: Russell Moore on Why We Shouldn’t Look for End Time Implications: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/06/bible-prophecy-war-iran-apocalypse-russell-moore/?utm_medium=widgetsocial  Louisiana Ten Commandments Law: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/us/politics/louisianas-ten-commandments-law-appeals-court-unconstitutional.html?searchResultPosition=17  Vox’s Article on the “New Religious Right” https://www.vox.com/politics/416042/religion-politics-trump-christian-nationalism-liberty-maga  Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: holypost.com/book  Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/  Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus  Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost  Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop  The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Â
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674: Parades, Protests, and Habeas Corpus with Michael Bird
It was a wild weekend. Donald Trump presided over a military parade on his birthday while an estimated 5 million Americans protested around the country. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the optics of both events and ask, with America’s divided politics and media silos, is protesting still effective? They also unpack a new article by Abby McCloskey in CT that argues evangelicalism’s focus on a private, personalized faith undermines learning, curiosity, and exercising the mind. Then, theologian and Holy Post Pundit, Michael Bird, is back. He offers an outsider’s perspective on Trump’s military parade, the “No Kings” protests, and why he thinks more Christians should be concerned about the suspension of habeas corpus. Also this week: More ’50s slang and an update on Ed the zebra. Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled - Ethics of Exile 101: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130879694/  Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/131691890/  0:00 - Show Starts  3:25 - Theme Song  3:50 - Sponsor - Timeless designs, great fabrics. Perfect swimwear for your kids this summer! Check out Minnow at https://www.shopminnow.com enter SHOPMINNOW15 for 15% off your first order.  4:57 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/HOLYPOST  6:18 - 50’s Slang  9:44 - Ed the Zebra’s Return!  14:35 - Military Parade  23:48 - What Does Protest Do?  32:05 - The Christian Mind Out of Practice  47:30 - Teaching Essentials of the Faith  50:21 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at https://www.rocketmoney.com/HOLYPOST  51:28- Sponsor - World Relief - Join The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! https://www.worldrelief.org/stand  52:24 - Interview  59:30 - Polarization of the Military  1:10:05 - Right to Protest  1:19:45 - End Credits  Links from News Segment: A Christian Mind Out of Practice by Abby McCloskey: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/06/christian-mind-out-of-practice-mark-noll-discipleship/ Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: holypost.com/book  Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/  Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus  Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost  Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop  The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Â
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673: The L.A. Protests & Becoming a Priest and Podcaster with Esau McCaulley
Protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration’s immigration policies have turned violent, but will the images of vandalism and attacks on police actually help the President? And Phil asks if there is any way to prevent necessary mass protests from becoming violent. One of the most respected Bible scholars of the last century has passed away. Old Testament professor Walter Bruggemann contrasted the world’s vision of scarcity with God’s kingdom of abundance, but Kaitlyn thinks his understanding of exile is over-applied today. Skye talks with his Holy Post Media colleague, Esau McCaulley, about his vocation as a priest, professor, and podcaster, and his desire to see Christianity applied to both the beauty and brokenness of the culture. Also this week—flying zebras and burning Waymos. Holy Post Plus: My Hill to Die On - Bidets: https://www.patreon.com/posts/my-hill-to-die-130797571 Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/131158009/  0:00 - Show Starts  4:30 - Theme Song  5:00 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to https://www.brooklynbedding.com/HOLYPOST  6:05 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout.  7:20 - Runaway Ed the Zebra!  14:33 - LA Protests, Self-Driving Cars  20:30 - Is Violent Protest Inevitable?  30:38 - Walter Brueggemann’s Passing  34:22 - Kaitlyn’s Disagreement with Brueggemann  43:11 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to https://www.hiyahealth.com/HOLYPOST to receive 50% off your first order  44:15 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month  45:25 - Interview  47:32 - Why Esau’s an Anglican Priest  54:30 - Why Esau’s a Podcaster  1:04:20 - How Does Esau’s Brain Work?  1:12:38 - White Evangelicals Centering  1:19:45 - End Credits  Links from News Segment: Pet Zebra Escaped! https://apnews.com/article/runaway-pet-zebra-captured-tennessee-54669b2fc2c1dffb87a09f4081d6c135  Other Resources: Check out The Esau McCaulley Podcast: https://pod.link/1770229436  Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: holypost.com/book  Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/  Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus  Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost  Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop  The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Â
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672: Gender Worship Wars & the Joy of Being Cultural Outsiders with Patrick Miller
In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, “Joyful Outsiders.” He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of “asking Jesus into your heart,” and pigeons on a plane. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Segment: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130626611/ Ad-Free Version of this Episode:  https://www.patreon.com/posts/130628699/ 0:00 - Show Starts  2:55 - Theme Song  3:18 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month  4:25 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to https://www.Blueland.com/HOLYPOST  5:36 - Animal News  13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response  25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War  36:23 - Low Church to High Church  51:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/HOLYPOST  53:06 - Sponsor - World Relief: The Path - Get your FREE prayer guide: Prayers for Such a Time as This. If you want to go beyond prayer, you can also learn more about joining The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! https://www.worldrelief.org/holypost  54:15 - Interview  55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders?  1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders?  1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope  1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living  1:31:00 - End Credits  Links from News Segment: Pigeons on a Plane! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delta-flight-erupts-chaos-pigeons-fly-main-cabin-rcna209400  Gen Z Gender Worship War: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/  Other Resources: Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: https://a.co/d/9ouoDCT  Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: holypost.com/book  Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/  Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus  Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost  Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop  The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Â
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