#474 â DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting
David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author (with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It Doesn't Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver, including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race.
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Ruby on Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:58) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:48) - Programming - early days
(26:13) - JavaScript
(36:32) - Google Chrome and DOJ
(44:19) - Ruby programming language
(51:30) - Beautiful code
(1:09:31) - Metaprogramming
(1:12:52) - Dynamic typing
(1:20:10) - Scaling
(1:33:03) - Future of programming
(1:50:34) - Future of AI
(1:56:29) - Vibe coding
(2:05:01) - Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language
(2:29:27) - Why managers are useless
(2:38:48) - Small teams
(2:44:55) - Jeff Bezos
(3:00:13) - Why meetings are toxic
(3:07:58) - Case against retirement
(3:15:15) - Hard work
(3:20:53) - Why we left the cloud
(3:24:04) - AWS
(3:33:22) - Owning your own servers
(3:39:35) - Elon Musk
(3:49:17) - Apple
(4:01:03) - Tim Sweeney
(4:12:37) - Fatherhood
(4:38:19) - Racing
(5:05:23) - Cars
(5:10:41) - Programming setup
(5:25:51) - Programming language for beginners
(5:39:09) - Open source
(5:48:01) - WordPress drama
(5:59:18) - Money and happiness
(6:08:11) - Hope
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