An extract of episode 4 of the podcast The independent Assessment. In this month's episode, hosts Craig Wallace and C Moore interview guests Gill King, from Living Streets Canberra and Bill Gemmell from Public Transport Association of Canberra about Canberra streets, transport and urban centres. Are they broken for people with disability? Can we fix it? A look at what it means to be able to get about your own city and the impacts of being excluded.