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  • The Chuck ToddCast

    Chuck’s Commentary - Trump Is Destroying The World Order That Made America Great + Canada Begins Break Up With The U.S.A.

    21/01/2026 | 1h 20 mins.
    In this episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck delivers a blunt warning about how Donald Trump’s erratic, ahistorical tariff strategy is pushing the United States toward a self-inflicted crisis—one that could even stumble into war. With none of the usual political penalties applying to Trump, elected Republicans have opted for fearful silence, becoming complicit as tariffs punish American taxpayers and U.S. credibility abroad rapidly erodes. Americans, worn down by “Trump Exhaustion Syndrome” and the lack of consequences after January 6th, are watching as the last real guardrail—the economy—buckles under market turmoil, while Congress and the Supreme Court delay or abdicate their responsibility to act.
    The episode underscores the extraordinary global fallout: Canada openly questioning whether it can rely on the U.S., wargaming invasion scenarios, pursuing “strategic autonomy,” and calling for new middle-power alliances even as it reaffirms commitment to NATO. As isolationism spreads and the rules-based order America once led begins to fracture, Chuck argues that only a congressional reckoning—or a midterm revolt—can halt the damage and preserve the country’s democratic institutions.
    Finally, Chuck updates his ToddCast Top 5 senate seats Democrats are most likely to flip in the midterms, answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment and recaps his experience at the college football national championship game… and the insane prices being charged to attend.
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    Timeline:
    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
    00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction
    02:00 Trump is potentially stumbling into a war over tariffs
    03:00 Trump’s strategy is erratic & detached from historical norms
    03:45 None of the usual political penalties apply to Trump
    04:15 Canada is preparing & worrying that U.S. could invade
    04:45 Trump’s tariffs punish the American taxpayer
    05:30 Elected Republicans are afraid of voicing dissent
    06:45 Republicans choose silence & makes them complicit
    08:00 Americans are numb, suffering from “Trump Exhaustion Syndrome”
    09:00 Lack of consequences for January 6th emboldened Trump
    10:45 Trump has weakened American credibility abroad
    12:00 There’s little check left in the GOP to prevent damage
    12:30 The only guardrail left is the economy and markets, which cratered
    14:15 Isolationism is terrible politics and terrible for the country
    15:15 Congress is the only institution that can stop Trump & is abdicating
    16:15 SCOTUS delays ruling on tariffs, making them hard to unwind
    17:15 It’s possible the midterms become a revolt & sober up the GOP
    17:45 Trump is affected by the “political YOLO virus”
    18:30 Mitch McConnell could have changed the course of history, and didn’t
    19:30 Trump has made America most vulnerable & isolated in decades
    21:00 Canadian PM gives Davos speech pleading with Americans
    22:00 When America chooses isolationism, so will everyone else
    23:00 Canada has shifted toward “strategic autonomy”
    24:15 Carney is saying Canada can’t rely on the United States
    25:00 Canada is wargaming for an invasion from the south
    25:45 Canada proposes a middle power trading bloc
    27:15 Carney says Canada stands committed to NATO’s Article 5
    27:45 Canada looking for new partners to confront an aggressive U.S.
    28:30 America has thrived atop the rules based order, and is risking everything
    30:45 25th Amendment intended for true incapacitation
    31:30 Congress has to do its job to preserve the America we love
    38:30 Chuck’s thoughts on interview with Gina Hinojosa
    40:00 ToddCast Top 5 seats Democrats can win & flip senate
    42:45 #1 North Carolina & #2 Maine
    46:30 #3 Michigan
    49:45 #4 Ohio
    51:15 #5 Alaska
    54:30 Ask Chuck
    55:15 Which presidency would be more dangerous… Trump or Vance?
    59:30 If most Americans are center left or right, why can’t we elect centrists?
    1:04:15 Would military action against a treaty ally be considered an illegal order?
    1:07:45 How should the country resolve insider trading on the prediction markets?
    1:09:15 Reaction to Indiana winning National Championship over Miami
    1:19:30 The prices at the National Championship were highway robbery
    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
  • The Chuck ToddCast

    Interview Only w/ Gina Hinojosa - Red State, Blue Opportunity: How School Choice Could Flip Texas

    21/01/2026 | 59 mins.
    Gina Hinojosa, a Texas state representative and Democratic candidate for governor, joins the Chuck ToddCast to discuss how the school choice debate has created unexpected opportunities for Democrats in traditionally red states. Hinojosa, who entered politics through school board advocacy to save her son's school, argues that corruption—not ideology—is the biggest driver of Texas politics. She accuses Governor Greg Abbott of holding school funding hostage to push through a voucher program, forcing closures across the state while Texas ranks in the bottom three nationally for education funding. Hinojosa contends that vouchers lack transparency and accountability, and notes that even Trump-voting Texas women have joined the fight against them. She criticizes charter schools for cherry-picking students while taking public resources, and highlights how special education funding has been systematically cut, leaving expensive and crucial services unmet.
    Beyond education, Hinojosa paints a broader picture of dysfunction in Texas, claiming Abbott has awarded $1 billion in no-bid contracts to donors—what she calls the "Greg Abbott corruption tax"—and pointing to failures in the state's deregulated electric grid, border policy, and treatment of vulnerable communities. She argues that Texas operates as a three-party state, with two Republican wings and Democrats, and describes how Abbott used millions to primary moderate "Bush Republicans," successfully defeating nine incumbents who wouldn't toe the line. While acknowledging challenges like the border security issue that flipped the Rio Grande Valley toward Trump and ICE enforcement she describes as "terrorizing communities," Hinojosa sees opportunities in growing business community frustration over tariffs and deportations. She emphasizes that despite Texas's economic power and population growth—which will add 4-5 congressional districts—ordinary Texans aren't benefiting, with small business owners earning less than the national average and electric bills skyrocketing due to data center demand and grid mismanagement.
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    Timeline:
    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
    00:00 Gina Hinojosa joins the Chuck ToddCast
    01:00 School choice issue has opened the door for Dems in red states
    02:30 Gina’s background in education & school board politics
    04:00 Ran for school board to save her son’s school
    04:30 Greg Abbott is reallocating money, forcing school closures
    05:15 Corruption is biggest driver of politics in Texas
    06:00 Consultants & vendors use part time legislators to make money
    06:45 Schools closing all over Texas due to budget cuts & vouchers
    08:00 Abbott held school funding hostage trying to pass voucher program
    08:30 Texas is bottom 3 in the country for school funding
    10:00 Texas women who voted Trump joined fight against vouchers
    11:15 Vouchers have no transparency or accountability
    12:30 The school funding model hasn’t changed since industrial age
    13:45 Do you support Texas’s “recapture” funding model?
    15:00 The recaptured money is being wasted
    16:30 Student testing and NAEP scores are decreasing overall
    17:45 Teachers deserve to be treated and paid like professional
    18:30 Special needs students can attend private school funded by state
    19:30 Special education is very expensive & requests go unmet
    20:45 State cut corners to avoid paying for special ed students
    22:15 Charter schools take public resources but not all kids
    23:15 Charter schools deny admission to kids with disciplinary records
    24:45 Education paid for by Texas property taxes which have skyrocketed
    25:15 Texans pay the “Greg Abbott corruption tax”
    26:00 Abbott has given $1 billion dollars in no-bid contracts to donors
    27:45 The corruption issue is ripe but the electorate is cynical on both sides
    29:15 Abbott’s corruption is the #1 talking point in the Republican primary
    30:30 Gas companies let Texans freeze until prices spiked high enough
    32:30 Border security issue led to Rio Grande valley voting for Trump
    34:00 Biden was able to fix border issues, just took too long to do it
    34:30 Deportations flipped political sentiment in Rio Grande valley
    36:00 ICE is terrorizing communities
    36:45 Masked law enforcement should be illegal
    37:45 Texas is a three party state: Two GOP wings & Democrats
    38:30 How can you grow the Democratic party in Texas?
    39:45 The “Bush Republicans” in TX can’t vote their districts or conscience
    40:15 Abbott used millions to primary Bush Republicans & 9 lost their race
    41:30 Is the GOP nationalizing the race your biggest challenge?
    42:30 Texas will gain 4-5 congressional districts due to growth
    44:45 The business community in TX is mad at tariffs & deportations
    45:30 People of Texas aren’t benefiting from their economic power
    47:15 Small business owners make less than average nationally
    47:45 Texas’s electric grid is a ticking time bomb
    48:15 Deregulation & corruption have exacerbated issues with grid
    49:00 Electric bills skyrocketing due to data centers
    50:30 Thoughts on nuclear to address energy problems?
    52:00 Favorite food on the campaign trail?
    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
  • The Chuck ToddCast

    Full Episode - Trump Is Destroying The World Order That Made America Great + Red State, Blue Opportunity: How School Choice Could Flip Texas

    21/01/2026 | 2h 20 mins.
    In this episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck delivers a blunt warning about how Donald Trump’s erratic, ahistorical tariff strategy is pushing the United States toward a self-inflicted crisis—one that could even stumble into war. With none of the usual political penalties applying to Trump, elected Republicans have opted for fearful silence, becoming complicit as tariffs punish American taxpayers and U.S. credibility abroad rapidly erodes. Americans, worn down by “Trump Exhaustion Syndrome” and the lack of consequences after January 6th, are watching as the last real guardrail—the economy—buckles under market turmoil, while Congress and the Supreme Court delay or abdicate their responsibility to act. The episode underscores the extraordinary global fallout: Canada openly questioning whether it can rely on the U.S., wargaming invasion scenarios, pursuing “strategic autonomy,” and calling for new middle-power alliances even as it reaffirms commitment to NATO. As isolationism spreads and the rules-based order America once led begins to fracture, Chuck argues that only a congressional reckoning—or a midterm revolt—can halt the damage and preserve the country’s democratic institutions.
    Gina Hinojosa, a Texas state representative and Democratic candidate for governor, joins Chuck to discuss how the school choice debate has created unexpected opportunities for Democrats in traditionally red states. Hinojosa, who entered politics through school board advocacy to save her son's school, argues that corruption—not ideology—is the biggest driver of Texas politics. She accuses Governor Greg Abbott of holding school funding hostage to push through a voucher program, forcing closures across the state while Texas ranks in the bottom three nationally for education funding. Hinojosa contends that vouchers lack transparency and accountability, and notes that even Trump-voting Texas women have joined the fight against them. She criticizes charter schools for cherry-picking students while taking public resources, and highlights how special education funding has been systematically cut, leaving expensive and crucial services unmet.
    Beyond education, Hinojosa paints a broader picture of dysfunction in Texas, claiming Abbott has awarded $1 billion in no-bid contracts to donors—what she calls the "Greg Abbott corruption tax"—and pointing to failures in the state's deregulated electric grid, border policy, and treatment of vulnerable communities. She argues that Texas operates as a three-party state, with two Republican wings and Democrats, and describes how Abbott used millions to primary moderate "Bush Republicans," successfully defeating nine incumbents who wouldn't toe the line. While acknowledging challenges like the border security issue that flipped the Rio Grande Valley toward Trump and ICE enforcement she describes as "terrorizing communities," Hinojosa sees opportunities in growing business community frustration over tariffs and deportations. She emphasizes that despite Texas's economic power and population growth—which will add 4-5 congressional districts—ordinary Texans aren't benefiting, with small business owners earning less than the national average and electric bills skyrocketing due to data center demand and grid mismanagement.
    Finally, Chuck updates his ToddCast Top 5 senate seats Democrats are most likely to flip in the midterms, answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment and recaps his experience at the college football national championship game… and the insane prices being charged to attend.
    Get your wardrobe sorted and your gift list handled with Quince. Don't wait! Go to https://Quince.com/CHUCK for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too!
    Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/chuck. Application times may vary. Rates may vary.
    Thank you Wildgrain for sponsoring. Visit http://wildgrain.com/TODDCAST and use the code "TODDCAST" at checkout to receive $30 off your first box PLUS free Croissants for life!
    Timeline:
    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
    00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction
    06:00 Trump is potentially stumbling into a war over tariffs
    07:00 Trump’s strategy is erratic & detached from historical norms
    07:45 None of the usual political penalties apply to Trump
    08:15 Canada is preparing & worrying that U.S. could invade
    08:45 Trump’s tariffs punish the American taxpayer
    09:30 Elected Republicans are afraid of voicing dissent
    10:45 Republicans choose silence & makes them complicit
    12:00 Americans are numb, suffering from “Trump Exhaustion Syndrome”
    13:00 Lack of consequences for January 6th emboldened Trump
    14:45 Trump has weakened American credibility abroad
    16:00 There’s little check left in the GOP to prevent damage
    16:30 The only guardrail left is the economy and markets, which crated
    18:15 Isolationism is terrible politics and terrible for the country
    19:15 Congress is the only institution that can stop Trump & is abdicating
    20:15 SCOTUS delays ruling on tariffs, making them hard to unwind
    21:15 It’s possible the midterms become a revolt & sober up the GOP
    21:45 Trump is affected by the “political YOLO virus”
    22:30 Mitch McConnell could have changed the course of history, and didn’t
    23:30 Trump has made America most vulnerable & isolated in decades
    25:00 Canadian PM gives Davos speech pleading with Americans
    26:00 When America chooses isolationism, so will everyone else
    27:00 Canada has shifted toward “strategic autonomy”
    28:15 Carney is saying Canada can’t rely on the United States
    29:00 Canada is wargaming for an invasion from the south
    29:45 Canada proposes a middle power trading bloc
    31:15 Carney says Canada stands committed to NATO’s Article 5
    31:45 Canada looking for new partners to confront an aggressive U.S.
    32:30 America has thrived atop the rules based order, and is risking everything
    34:45 25th Amendment intended for true incapacitation
    35:30 Congress has to do its job to preserve the America we love
    42:45 Gina Hinojosa joins the Chuck ToddCast
    43:45 School choice issue has opened the door for Dems in red states
    45:15 Gina’s background in education & school board politics
    46:45 Ran for school board to save her son’s school
    47:15 Greg Abbott is reallocating money, forcing school closures
    48:00 Corruption is biggest driver of politics in Texas
    48:45 Consultants & vendors use part time legislators to make money
    49:30 Schools closing all over Texas due to budget cuts & vouchers
    50:45 Abbott held school funding hostage trying to pass voucher program
    51:15 Texas is bottom 3 in the country for school funding
    52:45 Texas women who voted Trump joined fight against vouchers
    54:00 Vouchers have no transparency or accountability
    55:15 The school funding model hasn’t changed since industrial age
    56:30 Do you support Texas’s “recapture” funding model?
    57:45 The recaptured money is being wasted
    59:15 Student testing and NAEP scores are decreasing overall
    1:00:30 Teachers deserve to be treated and paid like professional
    1:01:15 Special needs students can attend private school funded by state
    1:02:15 Special education is very expensive & requests go unmet
    1:03:30 State cut corners to avoid paying for special ed students
    1:05:00 Charter schools take public resources but not all kids
    1:06:00 Charter schools deny admission to kids with disciplinary records
    1:07:30 Education paid for by Texas property taxes which have skyrocketed
    1:08:00 Texans pay the “Greg Abbott corruption tax”
    1:08:45 Abbott has given $1 billion dollars in no-bid contracts to donors
    1:10:30 The corruption issue is ripe but the electorate is cynical on both sides
    1:12:00 Abbott’s corruption is the #1 talking point in the Republican primary
    1:13:15 Gas companies let Texans freeze until prices spiked high enough
    1:15:15 Border security issue led to Rio Grande valley voting for Trump
    1:16:45 Biden was able to fix border issues, just took too long to do it
    1:17:15 Deportations flipped political sentiment in Rio Grande valley
    1:18:45 ICE is terrorizing communities
    1:19:30 Masked law enforcement should be illegal
    1:20:30 Texas is a three party state: Two GOP wings & Democrats
    1:21:15 How can you grow the Democratic party in Texas?
    1:22:30 The “Bush Republicans” in TX can’t vote their districts or conscience
    1:23:00 Abbott used millions to primary Bush Republicans & 9 lost their race
    1:24:15 Is the GOP nationalizing the race your biggest challenge?
    1:25:15 Texas will gain 4-5 congressional districts due to growth
    1:27:30 The business community in TX is mad at tariffs & deportations
    1:28:15 People of Texas aren’t benefiting from their economic power
    1:30:00 Small business owners make less than average nationally
    1:30:30 Texas’s electric grid is a ticking time bomb
    1:31:00 Deregulation & corruption have exacerbated issues with grid
    1:31:45 Electric bills skyrocketing due to data centers
    1:33:15 Thoughts on nuclear energy to address energy problems?
    1:34:45 Favorite food on the campaign trail?
    1:37:30 Chuck’s thoughts on interview with Gina Hinojosa
    1:39:00 ToddCast Top 5 seats Democrats can win & flip senate
    1:41:45 #1 North Carolina & #2 Maine
    1:45:30 #3 Michigan
    1:48:45 #4 Ohio
    1:50:15 #5 Alaska
    1:53:30 Ask Chuck
    1:54:15 Which presidency would be more dangerous… Trump or Vance?
    1:58:30 If most Americans are center left or right, why can’t we elect centrists?
    2:03:15 Would military action against a treaty ally be considered an illegal order?
    2:06:45 How should the country resolve insider trading on the prediction markets?
    2:08:15 Reaction to Indiana winning National Championship over Miami
    2:18:30 The prices at the National Championship were highway robbery
    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
  • The Chuck ToddCast

    Chuck’s Commentary - Trump Is Risking A WAR With His Tariff Threats + Trump Dumps Senator Bill Cassidy

    19/01/2026 | 1h 6 mins.
    Chuck Todd sounds the alarm on how Trump’s aggressive use of tariffs and economic coercion could unintentionally push the U.S. and the world toward open conflict, drawing stark parallels to the Smoot-Hawley tariffs and the dangerous bloc-based thinking that preceded World War II. As Trump threatens NATO unity, wages economic war with Europe, and even uses tariffs as leverage in a pressure campaign over Greenland, the result isn’t strength but instability—risking retaliation, potentially weakening the dollar’s reserve status, and handing strategic advantages to China and Russia. Chuck argues that while Trump may not be trying to start a war, his isolationist instincts, economic bullying, and disregard for democratic norms are dismantling the postwar order America built and benefited from, creating a far more dangerous world. The episode also turns inward, examining Trump’s endorsement politics and fixation on retribution, even at the cost of GOP viability, as Senate Republicans quietly weigh whether stopping this madness—or walking away—is their last remaining option.
    Finally, Chuck hops into the ToddCast Time Machine to revisit the evolving public perception of Muhammed Ali, answers listeners’ questions in the Ask Chuck segment and preview the college football national championship between Indiana and his beloved Miami Hurricanes.
    Get your wardrobe sorted and your gift list handled with Quince. Don't wait! Go to https://Quince.com/CHUCK for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too!
    Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/chuck. Application times may vary. Rates may vary.
    Thank you Wildgrain for sponsoring. Visit http://wildgrain.com/TODDCAST and use the code
    Timeline:
    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
    00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction
    02:30 Could Trump’s tariffs accidentally stumble the U.S. into a war?
    03:45 Bad economic policy could drive the world into war
    04:30 Destroying NATO & economic war w/ Europe will create GOP defections
    05:15 What Trump is doing is incredibly alarming
    05:45 When tariffs are used as leverage, they can create security problems
    06:15 Smoot-Hawley tariffs created lasting damage
    07:30 Retaliation followed after the Smoot-Hawley tariffs
    08:00 Smoot-Hawley didn’t cause WW2, but had a huge impact in creating it
    09:00 When the world starts thinking in blocs, wars become more likely
    10:00 In blocs, countries start prioritizing resource security
    10:30 Trump is using tariffs as leverage for economic bullying to acquire Greenland
    11:15 Macron calls for EU use of an anti-coercion law against the U.S.
    12:15 Trump’s Greenland posture threatens trade with Europe
    12:45 Republicans in the senate need to stop this madness
    13:30 We’re risking the dollar as the world’s reserve currency
    14:30 Canada has struck trade agreements with China in response to Trump
    15:15 China will gain increased leverage in North America
    16:30 Trade disputes risk becoming security grievances
    17:15 Trump is risking stumbling the U.S. into a war
    18:00 The world is more dangerous now than any time since WW2
    19:00 Americans are taking a safe and stable world for granted
    19:30 Trump has created the dream scenario for the Chinese & Russians
    20:15 The world order America built & benefitted from is being dismantled
    20:45 Trump’s actions, if not stopped…could set us back generations
    22:00 Trump has proven he doesn’t care about democracy in Venezuela
    23:30 When the biggest country goes isolationist, everyone else does too
    24:15 Trump isn’t trying to get us into war, but his actions are taking us closer to one
    27:30 Trump endorses against Bill Cassidy despite Cassidy’s deference
    29:00 Cassidy may consider retirement after reviewing polling in Louisiana
    30:30 Cassidy could have a shot at winning as an independent
    33:30 Trump cares about retribution more than viability of the GOP
    37:30 ToddCast Time Machine - January 22nd, 1964
    38:00 Cassius Clay announces conversion to Islam & name change
    39:00 Heavyweight champion of the world carried huge symbolic weight
    39:45 Muhammed Ali challenged the power structures
    40:30 Ali exposed unspoken rule - You have to be deferential & assimilate
    41:15 Press treated Ali as a problem to be managed
    42:00 Ali refusing to be drafted turned him into a villain
    42:45 Over time, Ali became vindicated by the public
    43:45 Ali carried conviction at great personal cost
    44:45 America changed its view of Ali, & speaks to America’s evolution
    45:45 Ask Chuck
    46:00 Thanks for the book recommendation for “The Barn”
    47:00 Could any Republicans defect to hand over control of the House?
    52:00 Packers/Bears rivalry goes way beyond football
    53:30 Indiana vs. Miami National Championship thoughts
    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
  • The Chuck ToddCast

    Full Episode - Trump Is Risking A WAR With His Tariff Threats + Does America Need A Middle Class New Deal?

    19/01/2026 | 2h 2 mins.
    Chuck Todd sounds the alarm on how Trump’s aggressive use of tariffs and economic coercion could unintentionally push the U.S. and the world toward open conflict, drawing stark parallels to the Smoot-Hawley tariffs and the dangerous bloc-based thinking that preceded World War II. As Trump threatens NATO unity, wages economic war with Europe, and even uses tariffs as leverage in a pressure campaign over Greenland, the result isn’t strength but instability—risking retaliation, potentially weakening the dollar’s reserve status, and handing strategic advantages to China and Russia. Chuck argues that while Trump may not be trying to start a war, his isolationist instincts, economic bullying, and disregard for democratic norms are dismantling the postwar order America built and benefited from, creating a far more dangerous world. The episode also turns inward, examining Trump’s endorsement politics and fixation on retribution, even at the cost of GOP viability, as Senate Republicans quietly weigh whether stopping this madness—or walking away—is their last remaining option.
    Mechele Dickerson, professor at the University of Texas School of Law & author of the new book “The Middle Class New Deal” joins Chuck Todd to make the case that rebuilding the American middle class requires something bold and familiar. Drawing on history, Dickerson explains how the original New Deal didn’t just regulate markets but actively created the first stable American middle class, a reminder that free markets alone don’t guarantee broad prosperity. As today’s economy shifts risk onto workers through independent contracting, weakened unions, and employer-based benefits that no longer fit modern labor markets, she argues that financial security—not wealth—is what most Americans are actually chasing, and it’s essential for economic and democratic stability.
    The conversation digs into healthcare, education, and labor power as the pillars of a functioning middle class, from why employer-based health insurance is a historical accident to how government-guaranteed healthcare could actually relieve businesses, and why underused public schools and outdated calendars are weakening the future workforce. Dickerson warns that the erosion of unions, the weaponization of cultural divisions, and rising economic nihilism—especially among younger Americans—mirror dangerous Gilded Age dynamics, where extreme inequality hollowed out democracy. The takeaway is stark but hopeful: upward mobility is deeply American, but without intentional policy choices that put workers and families first, an eroding middle class can become fertile ground for political instability and authoritarianism.
    Finally, Chuck hops into the ToddCast Time Machine to revisit the evolving public perception of Muhammed Ali, answers listeners’ questions in the Ask Chuck segment and preview the college football national championship between Indiana and his beloved Miami Hurricanes.
    Get your wardrobe sorted and your gift list handled with Quince. Don't wait! Go to https://Quince.com/CHUCK for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too!
    Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/chuck. Application times may vary. Rates may vary.
    Thank you Wildgrain for sponsoring. Visit http://wildgrain.com/TODDCAST and use the code
    Timeline:
    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
    00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction
    02:30 Could Trump’s tariffs accidentally stumble the U.S. into a war?
    03:45 Bad economic policy could drive the world into war
    04:30 Destroying NATO & economic war w/ Europe will create GOP defections
    05:15 What Trump is doing is incredibly alarming
    05:45 When tariffs are used as leverage, they can create security problems
    06:15 Smoot-Hawley tariffs created lasting damage
    07:30 Retaliation followed after the Smoot-Hawley tariffs
    08:00 Smoot-Hawley didn’t cause WW2, but had a huge impact in creating it
    09:00 When the world starts thinking in blocs, wars become more likely
    10:00 In blocs, countries start prioritizing resource security
    10:30 Trump is using tariffs as leverage for economic bullying to acquire Greenland
    11:15 Macron calls for EU use of an anti-coercion law against the U.S.
    12:15 Trump’s Greenland posture threatens trade with Europe
    12:45 Republicans in the senate need to stop this madness
    13:30 We’re risking the dollar as the world’s reserve currency
    14:30 Canada has struck trade agreements with China in response to Trump
    15:15 China will gain increased leverage in North America
    16:30 Trade disputes risk becoming security grievances
    17:15 Trump is risking stumbling the U.S. into a war
    18:00 The world is more dangerous now than any time since WW2
    19:00 Americans are taking a safe and stable world for granted
    19:30 Trump has created the dream scenario for the Chinese & Russians
    20:15 The world order America built & benefitted from is being dismantled
    20:45 Trump’s actions, if not stopped…could set us back generations
    22:00 Trump has proven he doesn’t care about democracy in Venezuela
    23:30 When the biggest country goes isolationist, everyone else does too
    24:15 Trump isn’t trying to get us into war, but his actions are taking us closer to one
    27:30 Trump endorses against Bill Cassidy despite Cassidy’s deference
    29:00 Cassidy may consider retirement after reviewing polling in Louisiana
    30:30 Cassidy could have a shot at winning as an independent
    33:30 Trump cares about retribution more than viability of the GOP
    41:15 Mechele Dickerson joins the Chuck ToddCast
    42:45 Both the left & right can learn from “The Middle Class New Deal”
    44:15 What motivated you to put these ideas under a “New Deal” framework
    45:15 The New Deal created the first American middle class
    46:15 Free market economies don’t automatically create a middle class
    47:45 Socialism & interfering with free markets created the middle class
    48:15 A stable middle class is critical for stability
    49:00 The uber wealthy can only consume so much & don’t drive spending
    50:15 People struggling don’t want to be wealthy, just financially secure
    52:00 Independent contractors don’t get same benefits as employees
    53:30 Retirement security has been shifted from employers to employees
    55:00 Big companies with lots of contractors have a ton of political leverage
    56:15 Amazon’s delivery providers aren’t set up to have employees
    58:15 CEO’s of big companies hate the cost of healthcare
    59:45 Business could support a system where they aren’t responsible for healthcare
    1:01:00 Employer based healthcare was born out of World War 2 wage controls
    1:02:15 Government guaranteed health insurance has many upsides
    1:04:30 The debate around government guaranteed education has stalled
    1:05:15 What steps could be taken to make progress in public education?
    1:06:30 In rural areas there is no “school choice”, just home school
    1:07:15 Public school facilities are underutilized
    1:07:45 Public school calendar revolves around an agrarian calendar
    1:09:00 Without good public education, we’ll have a poor labor force
    1:11:00 Schools should add a voluntary summer trimester
    1:12:45 Workers will only get equal treatment through collective bargaining
    1:13:15 How do you bring back labor unions?
    1:14:30 Middle & lower class have suffered since labor unions were gutted
    1:15:15 Union culture is merged with corporate culture in Europe
    1:16:30 Race & ethnicity have been used as wedges to advance a class argument
    1:18:30 The entire middle class is suffering economically
    1:20:15 How do you prioritize anti-poverty programs to revive the middle class?
    1:21:15 Upward mobility is wired into the DNA of Americans
    1:22:45 Billionaires aren’t incentivized to create a healthy middle class
    1:23:45 There are parallels between the current moment & the Gilded Age
    1:24:45 Should corporations build communities the way Hershey did?
    1:26:45 Politicians have to help constituents be ok, not just tell them they’re ok
    1:27:15 2016 election of Trump was the white middle class primal scream
    1:28:15 An eroding middle class can drive societies into autocracy
    1:29:15 Trump administration keeps having “let them eat cake” moments
    1:30:15 Middle class support tax cuts for rich, thinking they’ll become rich
    1:31:00 Younger Americans suffer from a sense of economic nihilism
    1:31:45 Bill Clinton’s strength was understanding middle class, he came from it
    1:32:30 Chuck’s thoughts on interview with Mechele Dickerson
    1:33:15 ToddCast Time Machine - January 22nd, 1964
    1:33:45 Cassius Clay announces conversion to Islam & name change
    1:34:45 Heavyweight champion of the world carried huge symbolic weight
    1:35:30 Muhammed Ali challenged the power structures
    1:36:15 Ali exposed unspoken rule - You have to be deferential & assimilate
    1:37:00 Press treated Ali as a problem to be managed
    1:37:45 Ali refusing to be drafted turned him into a villain
    1:38:30 Over time, Ali became vindicated by the public
    1:39:30 Ali carried conviction at great personal cost
    1:40:30 America changed its view of Ali, & speaks to America’s evolution
    1:41:30 Ask Chuck
    1:41:45 Thanks for the book recommendation for “The Barn”
    1:42:45 Could any Republicans defect to hand over control of the House?
    1:47:45 Packers/Bears rivalry goes way beyond football
    1:49:15 Indiana vs. Miami National Championship thoughts
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