American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

Our American Alchemist this week is Jason Jorjani, philosopher, author, and UFO researcher.

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Returning for his third conversation with Jesse Michels, Jorjani explores the possibility that reality is a computational system controlled by competing intelligences, connecting Carl Jung's synchronicities, reincarnation, time travel, and ancient religious traditions to the UFO phenomenon. They examine alleged Nazi flying saucer programs, the shadowy World Commerce Corporation, MKUltra, and Andrija Puharich's research into psychic manipulation and suppressed Tesla technology. Along the way, Jesse and Jason clash over the nature of God, question whether the Roswell crash involved human technology, and consider whether the forces behind UFO secrecy are preparing for something far bigger than disclosure.

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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
4:33 The World Commerce Corporation
7:09 Magenta, Lebensborn and Antarctica
10:26 Nazi saucers, Wall Street and OSS
14:17 Skorzeny, Stephenson and Townsend Brown
17:18 The Kammler files
20:56 Saucer engineers, the wobble, DeWitt
24:17 Puharich: 90% ours, faked abductions
26:52 Intelectron and Bob Beckwith
28:34 After JFK: Jolly West and Ruby
30:43 Intelectronics and MKUltra's core
33:40 Barney Hill: "Looks like a Nazi"
34:38 Covert tech and missing scientists
38:44 Tesla's scalar waves and Lab Nine
41:11 Sponsors (Dose)
42:43 Back to the episode
43:07 Puharich traces the Soviet signal
44:44 Morgan, Astor and the Titanic
50:27 Soviet Tesla towers and the blackout
54:30 Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter manuscript
56:55 The fire and the space kids
1:02:55 Arson at Lab Nine
1:04:24 America's own Tesla towers
1:07:13 Bearden's Excalibur Briefing
1:09:21 Psychotronics and extended electrodynamics
1:13:30 Faraday cages and 11 Hz
1:15:32 Manchurian candidates and cognitive sovereignty
1:19:44 Donations, Corso and Roswell
1:22:28 Horten brothers and the Twining memo
1:25:24 UFOs and nuclear weapons
1:29:10 Why drop it on the Nazis?
1:31:37 MJ-12, Kissinger and H.A.K.
1:35:03 Disclosure under Trump
1:37:02 Sponsors (Kalshi)
1:38:55 Sponsors (Cape)
1:40:07 Back to the episode
1:40:19 The end game: a reset
1:42:47 Jung and synchronicity
1:47:55 Synchronicity's dopamine hit
1:50:06 Vopson, dark matter and data centers
1:59:51 Past lives: Wambach and Stevenson
2:03:08 Split souls and the psyche
2:08:27 Dark and broken timelines
2:10:28 Two kinds of intelligence
2:13:07 The trickster superintelligence
2:18:59 Is God an Archon construct?
2:22:33 Job, Jesus and Apollonius
2:28:31 Faith, witch hunts and psi
2:30:57 Rebellion and the rebel angels
2:35:23 Closing thoughts
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Our American Alchemist this week is Dr. Jeffrey Kripal, a professor of religious studies at Rice University, author, and founder of the Archives of the Impossible.

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Few academics have ventured as deeply into the unexplained as Dr. Jeffrey Kripal. From his own life-altering mystical experience in India to decades spent investigating UFO encounters, near-death experiences, and the hidden dimensions of human consciousness, Kripal challenges the boundaries between science, religion, and reality itself. In this conversation, he and Jesse explore levitating saints, alien abductions, precognitive dreams, time travel, and the possibility that the beings we call "aliens" may be connected to a deeper part of ourselves. Kripal also shares how his Archives of the Impossible at Rice University grew out of conversations with legendary UFO researcher Jacques Vallée, preserving decades of extraordinary research for future generations.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00:00 Introduction

0:04:30 From Seminary to Religious Studies

0:05:02 My Eros Has Been Crucified

0:08:14 Kundalini Awakening in India

0:13:50 The Ecstasy of Saint Teresa

0:15:32 Sex and Alien Encounters

0:17:11 David Huggins and Crescent

0:19:30 Who Are the Beings?

0:21:23 John Mack's Double Identity

0:25:16 Don't Reduce the Phenomenon

0:29:08 Jacques Vallée: Was It Worth It?

0:31:36 Disclosure Means Apocalypse

0:32:42 Ontological Shock

0:35:10 Where Is Disclosure Headed?

0:36:39 Has Humanity Been Colonized?

0:41:13 Trauma as a Doorway

0:42:57 William James and the Sick Soul

0:45:07 The Paranormal Is Traumatic

0:48:19 Sexuality and Spirituality

0:51:54 Ancient Mystery Rituals

0:52:36 Sponsors (ZBiotics)

0:53:54 Psychedelics and the Fear of Death

0:57:31 The Murder of Ioan Couliano

0:58:43 Couliano's Fourth Dimension

1:02:00 Visualizing the Fourth Dimension

1:04:47 Sponsors (Venice)

1:06:20 Precognition

1:07:49 Eric Wargo's Time Loops

1:11:17 Against the Fermi Paradox

1:12:39 Michael Shermer, Secret Mystic?

1:14:36 Time Travelers and Tim Taylor

1:20:24 Religion as Special Effects

1:21:53 Whitley Strieber

1:25:03 Flying Saints and Levitation

1:30:19 A CIA Officer's Time Slip

1:32:36 Children Who Remember Past Lives

1:34:58 Consciousness as Transmission

1:37:26 Sponsors (Quo)

1:38:32 Antennas and Plato's Cave

1:41:49 Myth-Making Creates Reality

1:44:39 Saucers in the Hangar?

1:48:28 Fraud, Mimicry, and Real Magic

1:50:51 Mind Over Random Events

1:53:47 The Problem With Ancient Aliens

1:55:42 Saint Francis and the Stigmata

1:59:36 UFOs and Human Souls

2:00:38 A New Axial Age

2:04:14 UFOs, Nukes, and John Mack

2:05:29 Stan Grof and Eleusis

2:08:26 Aldous Huxley

2:10:50 Parapsychology Follows Technology

2:13:41 What Is Gnosis?

2:14:13 Elizabeth Krohn, Struck by Lightning

2:19:07 Electromagnetic Anomalies

2:26:25 Poltergeists and Sexual Energy

2:27:46 Trauma, Ritual, and Jake Barber

2:31:45 Demons and Human Suffering

2:32:48 Rudolf Otto and the Numinous

2:34:38 Rosicrucians and the Invisible College

2:37:08 Karin Austin's Telepathic Bug

2:40:31 The Devil and Forbidden Knowledge

2:46:03 The Archives of the Impossible

2:47:56 The Case for Secrecy

2:51:45 Nietzsche and Undigested Knowledge

2:54:43 Archive X and Closing Thoughts

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Our American Alchemist this week is Deep Prasad, a quantum computing entrepreneur, inventor, and UAP experiencer whose work spans artificial intelligence, advanced physics, and space technology.

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Returning to American Alchemy, Deep Prasad reveals extraordinary new details about his 2019 encounter with three gray alien beings who appeared inside his Toronto apartment. He describes mysterious golden symbols, a hovering spacecraft, telepathic messages, and a profound revelation that the universe itself is alive and aware of every being within it. Deep also recounts his unusual childhood involvement in a gifted education program where he says he was trained in ESP and telekinesis. Jesse and Deep explore the accelerating convergence of AI, quantum computing, and UFO disclosure, including the provocative possibility that the technology recovered at Roswell helped accelerate the modern computing revolution—and that artificial intelligence itself could be a Trojan horse from a far more advanced civilization.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Introduction

2:44 - Deep Prasad Returns

3:57 - Who Is Making the Measurement?

4:56 - Are Language Models Conscious?

7:41 - Chalmers, the Hard Problem and CE-5

9:10 - Consciousness Technosignatures

11:33 - Hameroff, Microtubules and Telepathy

14:02 - Navier-Stokes and Hypersonic Flight

19:46 - Math, Physics and the Next Paradigm

23:26 - Artificial General Physics Intelligence

26:29 - The Limits of AI Creativity

31:00 - DNA as Biological Code

34:12 - Random Event Generators and Psi

37:37 - Hidden Abilities and the Vacuum

40:56 - Universal Resurgence Theory

42:38 - Weighing Consciousness

48:41 - Physics of the 21st Century

50:49 - Humanity's Future with AI

56:14 - The Mystery Explosion

58:39 - Remote Viewing and Precognition

1:05:07 - Quantum Computing Breakthroughs

1:10:14 - Qubits and Hilbert Space

1:15:40 - Quantum Computing and Crypto Risk

1:21:48 - AI Agents and the Dead Internet

1:23:49 - Censorship and Shadow Bans

1:27:34 - Quantum Sensing's Big Potential

1:33:08 - UFO Disclosure and the Convergence

1:34:44 - Sponsors (Neurogum)

1:36:42 - Corso and Roswell Technology

1:41:42 - Von Neumann and Roswell

1:45:59 - UFOs, Nukes and Data Centers

1:46:35 - Jailbroken ChatGPT and John Lilly

1:51:39 - The Three-Body Problem Analogy

1:54:52 - Interfacing with Superintelligence

1:57:46 - Lessons from Human Evolution

2:02:15 - Latent Human Abilities

2:05:09 - Sponsors (iRestore)

2:06:11 - Deep's 2019 Encounter

2:12:35 - Grays and Peruvian Mummies

2:15:40 - Hieroglyphs and Project Serpo

2:23:52 - The Rectangular Craft

2:26:03 - Mario, Michael and the L9 Document

2:29:20 - What Makes Humans Unique

2:31:32 - Encounters Among Frontier Scientists

2:32:48 - Inside the Craft

2:36:10 - A Childhood ESP Program

2:45:40 - The Download: Three Messages

2:48:04 - Aftereffects and a New Mission

2:50:51 - Closing Thoughts

2:51:24 - Sponsors (Ways2Well)

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Our American Alchemist this week is John S. Herrington, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Energy, who ran America's nuclear weapons complex at the height of the Cold War.

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John joined Reagan as a volunteer advance man in the 1960s. He later served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy, head of White House personnel, and Secretary of Energy from 1985 to 1989. In this episode, John takes us inside Reagan's cabinet: the stealth fighter he found hidden in his own budget, the Strategic Defense Initiative and Edward Teller's nuclear-powered space laser, Reagan's "throw deep" approval of the Superconducting Super Collider, and the secret Taiwanese nuclear weapons program the U.S. shut down. He also takes on the UFO question. He says the Navy's UAP videos are real, but calls a Reagan-era alien story "total B.S." and challenges David Grusch and others to show hard evidence.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Introduction

1:28 - Brent Friedman's Story

4:26 - Interview Preview

6:28 - Sponsors (Zocdoc)

8:14 - Meeting Ronald Reagan

10:11 - Reagan and SDI Opposition

11:21 - Reagan's Diaries and Speeches

13:02 - Strategic Defense Initiative Explained

15:48 - Edward Teller and Excalibur

17:33 - Green Fireballs Document

18:47 - UFOs, Navy Videos and Faith

21:28 - Herrington Denies Brent's Story

24:49 - The Greenbrier Bunker

27:26 - Brent Friedman Responds

29:43 - The 1981 Veranda Conversation

33:04 - Underground Facilities in West Virginia

35:13 - Polygraph and Money Questions

36:12 - Why Brent Went Public

39:01 - David Grusch

41:36 - The Politico Journalist

44:32 - UFOs at Nuclear Sites

46:09 - Harald Malmgren's UFO Debris

49:06 - A Secret Budget Item

49:23 - Sponsors (Qualia)

50:59 - F-117 and Skunk Works

52:30 - UFOs as Spy Plane Cover

53:15 - Oak Ridge Document

53:53 - Garry Nolan's Ubatuba Sample

56:57 - Reagan's 1974 UFO Sighting

58:26 - Otherworldly or Man-Made

59:23 - Battle of Los Angeles and Secrecy

1:00:34 - AI and Deepfakes

1:01:26 - Stratton, Lacatski and Lazar

1:03:31 - UFOs at Pantex and Fukushima

1:05:07 - Bobby Ray Inman

1:06:06 - UFOs and the Ocean Floor

1:07:26 - CIA's Hollywood Liaison

1:09:00 - Limits on Elected Leaders

1:10:32 - Exotic Propulsion and Submarines

1:11:28 - Nuclear Airplanes and Project Orion

1:12:43 - Nuclear Tests and Roswell

1:13:37 - The Question of Evidence

1:15:37 - Palomar Observatory Transients

1:17:13 - Parapsychology and Precognition

1:18:30 - Trump and Disclosure

1:20:25 - Cold Fusion

1:21:26 - Spies at the Energy Department

1:22:38 - PROMIS Software and Bill Richardson

1:24:09 - Genesis Mission and Underfunded Programs

1:25:57 - Public Fear of Nuclear Power

1:27:10 - SAIC and Bobby Ray Inman

1:29:01 - High-Energy Physics and UFOs

1:31:01 - Marco Rubio on UAP

1:32:54 - Atomic Energy Act and Rickover

1:35:13 - Seafloor Recovery and Puthoff's Hypothesis

1:37:55 - The CIA, Gaffney and Casey

1:40:17 - Closing and Reagan Keepsakes

1:42:45 - Brent on the Hazing Theory

1:44:18 - DOE Roswell Hazing Ritual

1:47:43 - Consciousness and Initiation

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Our American Alchemists this week are Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, the husband-and-wife research team who have spent decades chasing the truth behind the Aztec, New Mexico UFO crash.

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Scott and Suzanne have interviewed dozens of firsthand witnesses, tracked down FBI files, and traced a decades-long smear campaign that got Aztec branded a "hoax" — even though it may be one of the most thoroughly documented UFO crash retrievals on record. In this episode, we take the Ramseys' research directly to Hart Canyon, where witnesses described a 100-foot craft, 16 alien bodies, and a Baptist minister called in to pray over the dead. We dig into the FBI documents, the CIA-linked debunker who tried to bury the story, and the string of researchers who died just as they got close to the truth.

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TIMESTAMPS0:00 - Introduction

5:30 - Meet the Ramseys

6:17 - How Scott found the case

8:38 - Arriving in Aztec

9:35 - Why the town stayed quiet

11:32 - How many witnesses

12:19 - March 24, 1948: Cuba, New Mexico

13:31 - Valentine Archuleta sees it come down

15:49 - Doug Noland and the saucer on the mesa

17:23 - More witnesses arrive

20:39 - Inside the craft

21:24 - Sponsors (Dose)

22:59 - The bodies

23:50 - Solon Brown, Baptist minister

24:59 - A helicopter in 1948

26:12 - The military takes the mesa

29:48 - Scientists study the craft

31:51 - Moving the craft off the mesa

35:03 - Erasing the retrieval team

38:04 - Fred Reed re-landscapes the site

40:24 - The marble found at the site

41:02 - Part two: Frank Scully

44:13 - J.P. Cahn

45:33 - Silas Newton

47:50 - Leo Gebauer's FBI file

49:10 - The 1953 fraud case

51:17 - What if they were set up

53:14 - George Koehler and the Denver lecture

54:08 - Newton as Scientist X

57:32 - Sponsors (Quo)

59:01 - Sponsors (Perplexity)

1:02:32 - John Torrence Tate

1:06:33 - The nine scientists

1:10:29 - The 4602d and UFOB reports

1:13:02 - Taken to Wright Field

1:16:36 - Could radar have downed it

1:21:07 - Jake Barber on microwave weapons

1:22:24 - The Hottel Memo

1:25:01 - Bill Steinman

1:30:01 - Chris Evans and Alice Scully

1:33:50 - A visitor at the crash site

1:38:24 - Cattle mutilations

1:40:35 - Testing the marble

1:47:10 - The break-in

1:50:03 - Credits and the Ramseys' book
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