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    Analyzing 52 Church Cultures | An Interview with David Boice

    11/04/2026 | 1h 1 mins.
    David Boice is a faith-based storyteller and traveler originally from Wausau, Wisconsin, and the creator of the YouTube series 52 Churches in 52 Weeks. What began as a personal search for a spiritual home became a nationwide journey through nearly 200 congregations, documenting not just what churches teach, but how they receive those walking in for the first time. His work offers a unique window into the lived experience of faith, community, and belonging across modern Christianity.

    Through these road stories, David has developed a thoughtful perspective on the subtle dynamics that shape religious communities—hospitality, fellowship, teaching, and the process by which a stranger becomes an insider. His content blends spiritual curiosity with candid reflection, inviting viewers to engage faith in a more personal and experiential way.

    In April 2024, David was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He recently relocated to Utah and is now developing 52 Temples in 52 Weeks, a companion project exploring temple worship, symbolism, and covenant faith. Alongside his content, he has used his platform to support causes such as St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital.

    When he’s not traveling or filming, David can usually be found writing, editing, or wrestling with deeper questions—like whether dad jokes qualify as a spiritual gift.



    Links

    YouTube @52churchesin52weeks

    YouTube @52temples

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    Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

    Highlights

    David discusses his unique journey of visiting various denominations before joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The conversation focuses on the impact of church culture, the power of a welcoming environment, and the lessons Latter-day Saint leaders can learn from the strengths and weaknesses of other faith traditions.

    00:03:38 – David’s Background and Spiritual Journey

    00:05:51 – Fallout with the Lutheran Church

    00:07:45 – The Idea of Visiting 52 Churches

    00:10:05 – Documenting the Church Visits

    00:12:17 – The Need for Community and Church

    00:13:41 – First Visit to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

    00:18:25 – Insights on Church Culture and Leadership

    00:21:02 – The Importance of Welcoming Visitors

    00:22:04 – Generational Disconnect in Churches

    00:25:24 – The Role of Missionaries in Church Culture

    00:26:16 – Cleaning Assignments and Ownership

    00:30:16 – Communion Practices Across Different Churches

    00:32:23 – The Significance of Communion in Worship

    00:36:19 – Differences in Communion Timing and Structure

    00:40:03 – The Role of Communion in Community and Faith

    00:45:09 – Unique Takeaways from Church Visits and Experiences

    Key Insights

    Welcoming Environment: David emphasizes the importance of a communal atmosphere in churches. He found that Latter-day Saint congregations were notably more welcoming, with members actively engaging with visitors, which contrasted sharply with his experiences in other churches.

    Communion Practices: The sacrament in Latter-day Saint services is conducted early in the meeting, which David found refreshing compared to other traditions where communion is often the main event. This practice fosters a sense of community and shared purpose.

    Involvement and Ownership: David appreciated the opportunities for active participation in the Latter-day Saint community, such as cleaning assignments, which gave him a sense of ownership and responsibility within the ward.

    Generational Engagement: He noted the generational dynamics in church attendance, observing that many mainline Protestant churches struggle to engage younger generations, while Latter-day Saint congregations maintain a strong sense of family and community.

    Cultural Differences: David highlighted the differences in how various churches approach worship, including the use of sensory elements in Catholic services versus the more straightforward approach in many Protestant services.

    Leadership Applications

    Foster a Welcoming Culture: Latter-day Saint leaders can prioritize creating a welcoming environment by encouraging members to actively greet and engage with newcomers, ensuring that visitors feel valued and included.

    Encourage Participation: Leaders should provide opportunities for members to take on responsibilities within the ward, fostering a sense of ownership and community involvement that can enhance engagement and commitment.

    Focus on Community Building: By emphasizing the importance of family and community in church activities, leaders can help bridge generational gaps and create a more inclusive atmosphere that resonates with all members.

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.
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    Leading Saints Live: Engaging Conversations on Leadership, Community, and Spiritual Growth

    08/04/2026 | 59 mins.
    Jump into Zion Lab: https://app.leadingsaints.org

    In this episode we back up to early March for the first “Leading Saints Live” livestream where Kurt Francom explains more about Zion Lab and shares highlights from discussions.

    We discuss:

    Zion Lab as a Resource

    Generational Disconnect: The gap between older and younger generations, the pressure to conform to expectations, and the facade of compliance rather than genuine engagement

    Bishopric Responsibilities: Shifting responsibilities of bishops and balancing their focus on youth while ensuring all members receive adequate support and ministering

    Communication Strategies: Ask open-ended questions and foster a non-judgmental environment to promote dialogue and understanding

    Boundary Changes and Transparency: Is there a need for transparency regarding boundary changes? Can communication reduce anxiety and foster acceptance?
    The Power of Naming: Inclusion and Belonging for LGBTQ+ Families in Church Discussions

    How to become a Zion Builder (and how to get a sponsored membership if cost is a barrier)

    â–º Links & Resources:

    📱 Download the Leading Saints app: Search “Leading Saints” in the Apple App Store or Google Play

    💬 Join Zion Lab and become a Zion Builder at https://app.leadingsaints.org

    📩 DM Kurt directly inside Zion Lab

    “Leading Saints Live” streams every first Friday of the month in the Zion Lab app.

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.
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    New Church Schedule: How to Turn 25 Minutes into 60+ Minutes

    03/04/2026 | 45 mins.
    Zion Lab: https://app.leadingsaints.org/

    Leading Saints Live | March Recap + The Future of Leading Saints

    Kurt Francom shares highlights from the past month in Zion Lab — Leading Saints’ growing online community app — and digs into the biggest topic on everyone’s mind: the upcoming changes to the Sunday meeting schedule taking effect September 6.

    In this episode:

    What is Zion Lab and why Kurt thinks it’s the future of Leading Saints

    The AI Clerk feature and how it helps church leaders find answers fast

    Reactions and discussion around the new split Sunday meeting schedule

    Kurt’s Elders Quorum small-group format and why it works so well for the shorter class time

    A bishop’s “Bishop’s Youth Discussion” model that’s transforming youth engagement

    How to become a Zion Builder (and how to get a sponsored membership if cost is a barrier)

    Links & Resources:

    📱 Download the Leading Saints app: Search “Leading Saints” in the Apple App Store or Google Play 💬

    Join Zion Lab and become a Zion Builder at leadingsaints.org 📩 DM Kurt directly inside Zion Lab

    Leading Saints Live streams every first Friday of the month.

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.
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    What to Say When Loved Ones Leave the Church | An Interview with Jeff Strong and Joseph Grenny

    03/04/2026 | 58 mins.
    Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission.

    Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family.

    Joseph Grenny is a lifelong student of social science whose writings are references in major universities around the world. He is a New York Times bestselling author of eight books, including leadership, influence and communication classics Crucial Conversations, Influencer, Crucial Accountability, and Change Anything. His books are available in over 30 languages and have sold over six million copies.

    Joseph is a co-founder and current board chair of Unitus Labs, an international nonprofit that has helped over 15 million of the world’s poorest to move toward self reliance. In 2015 he and his colleagues started The Other Side Academy, a 2.5-year school for those with long histories of crime, addiction and homelessness. The Other Side Academy is free, requiring only a desire to change for admission. In April 2021, Joseph and the leaders of The Other Side Academy announced their intention to build The Other Side Village, a 400-home community for those who are chronically homeless based on principles of self-reliance and peer accountability.

    Joseph is married to the former Celia Marie Waldron. They have six children and eight grandchildren and live in Salt Lake City.





    Links

    Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community

    The Data Behind Church Culture | An Interview with Jeff Strong

    Joining Moroni’s War on Addiction | An Interview with Joseph Grenny

    Creating Change | Interview with Joseph Grenny

    Messy Conversations: When Loved Ones Leave the Faith, by Joseph Grenny

    Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

    Highlights

    Social science expert Joseph Grenny and researcher Jeff Strong discuss the high-stakes nature of “faith transitions” within the Church . The conversation centers on how leaders and family members can navigate these emotionally charged discussions to preserve and strengthen relationships.

    00:04:45 – The Importance of High-Stakes Conversations

    00:06:17 – The Challenge of Faith Transitions

    00:08:31 – The Need for Open Dialogue

    00:09:50 – The Emotional Weight of Conversations

    00:11:13 – The Impact of Poor Responses

    00:12:21 – Preparing for Difficult Conversations

    00:13:35 – Research Insights on Conversations

    00:15:48 – Identifying Positive Deviants

    00:16:29 – Learning from Successful Conversations

    00:18:06 – The Role of Fear in Conversations

    00:20:06 – Talking Under the Influence of Stress

    00:22:40 – The Importance of Taking a Breather

    00:25:23 – Three Key Steps for Effective Conversations

    00:27:00 – Feeling Your Feelings

    00:29:40 – Fixing Your Story

    00:31:40 – Finding Your Motive

    00:33:13 – The Transformative Power of Relationships

    00:35:11 – Embracing the Messiness of Life

    00:38:11 – The Role of God in Our Growth

    00:40:45 – The Journey of Self-Discovery

    Key Insights

    The “Devoutness Paradox”: Research involving 15,000 participants found that the more devout a person is, the less likely a conversation about faith transition is to go well. If the recipient is a church leader, the odds of a negative outcome are 4.5 times higher than average.

    High Intensity of Need: Approximately 83% of individuals going through a faith transition reach out to others, typically contacting four to five people, indicating a deep desire for connection and resolution during the process.

    The Trap of “Problem-Solving”: Many leaders and parents react out of fear and an immediate impulse to “fix” the individual or bring them back to the church. This motive often leads to the other person feeling judged, berated, or suspected.

    The “Positive Deviant” Model: Some leaders and family members manage to maintain their own religious commitment while creating a safe, robust space for dialogue. These “positive deviants” prioritize the relationship over immediate theological conformity.

    Long-Lasting Consequences: The first few seconds of a conversation are pivotal; words spoken in moments of shock or vulnerability can endure for years and dictate the future trajectory of the relationship.

    Leadership Applications

    Shifting Motives: Leaders must move from a mindset of “correcting” to one of “listening and processing”. Recognizing that fear often drives the impulse to solve a problem can help leaders stay present and supportive rather than confrontational.

    Validating the Struggle: Leaders should normalize the reality that faith transitions are common and often a healthy part of a person’s individual journey . By acknowledging the difficulty without judgment, they empower the individual to feel heard rather than controlled.

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.
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    When the Seminary Teacher Has a Faith Crisis | An Interview with Tucker Boyle

    26/03/2026 | 1h 16 mins.
    Tucker Boyle has spent over 25 years teaching Seminary and Institute for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where he has worked closely with youth and young adults to help them deepen their relationship with Jesus Christ and navigate real-life challenges with faith and awareness. He has served as a Young Single Adult bishop and in other leadership callings, giving him a front-line perspective on the complexities individuals face in their spiritual journeys.

    Tucker is the founder of Harmony Road Retreats, a nonprofit organization that creates compassionate, supportive spaces for individuals wanting to find inner harmony while experiencing shifts in their faith. Through retreats, teaching, and his podcast Call to Harmony, he helps people develop practical tools for navigating spiritual dissonance, regulating the nervous system, and cultivating a more grounded, personal connection with God. He lives in Spanish Fork, Utah, with his wife Katie and their five children.



    Links

    https://www.harmonyroadretreats.com/

    What I Learned About Leadership When My 2nd Counselor Left the Church

    ChurchofJesusChrist.org Topics and Questions

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    Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

    Highlights

    Tucker talks about navigating faith crises and transitions. The discussion explores the intellectual and physiological aspects of questioning faith, moving beyond “black and white” thinking to find spiritual peace through connection and the heart.

    00:02:21 – Tucker’s Faith Crisis Journey

    00:03:24 – Understanding Faith Crisis Beyond Doubt

    00:04:05 – Importance of Community in Faith Transitions

    00:04:32 – Tucker’s Experience in Teaching

    00:05:43 – Observations on Youth and Young Adults

    00:06:31 – Trusting the Goodness of the Younger Generation

    00:07:11 – Defining Faith Crisis and Faith Journey

    00:08:28 – Tucker’s Personal Faith Crisis Experience

    00:09:01 – The Impact of Seeking Other Perspectives

    00:10:37 – The Challenge of Balancing Beliefs

    00:11:54 – The Role of the Dissertation Chair

    00:12:38 – Navigating Fear and Doubt in Research

    00:14:03 – The Dissolution of Testimony Pillars

    00:15:17 – The Moment of Psychological Free Fall

    00:16:21 – The Question of Wasting Time in Faith

    00:17:03 – The Complexity of Belief and Doubt

    00:18:03 – The Nature of Testimony Pillars

    00:19:21 – The Challenge of Seeing Humanity in Divinity

    00:20:58 – The Shift from Certainty to Complexity

    00:22:46 – The Experience of Testimony in Church

    00:23:40 – The Impact of Testimony on Personal Faith

    00:24:53 – The Role of Nervous System in Faith Experiences

    00:26:54 – The Importance of Self-Regulation

    00:28:24 – The Journey of Healing and Understanding

    00:30:31 – The Non-Linear Nature of Faith Journeys

    00:31:13 – The Moment of Clarity and Love

    00:33:08 – The Temporary Nature of Spiritual Experiences

    00:34:24 – The Shift Back to Struggle

    00:36:08 – Understanding the Faith Crisis Experience

    00:37:41 – The Journey Towards Harmony

    00:39:44 – The Role of Heart vs. Mind in Faith

    00:41:06 – The Transformation Through Faith Crisis

    00:43:22 – Embracing Complexity in Belief

    00:45:01 – Gratitude for the Faith Crisis Experience

    00:45:34 – Moving Forward with New Perspectives

    Key Insights

    The Nature of Faith Crisis: A faith crisis is often experienced as a physical response in the nervous system, where the world feels like it is falling apart, rather than just an intellectual disagreement.

    The Trap of Certainty: Boyle describes his own journey from a “black and white” mindset of having every answer to encountering complexity that dissolved his traditional “pillars” of testimony.

    Leading with the Heart: While the mind seeks to label, divide, and categorize, the heart can hold nuance, questions, and imperfections in church history or leadership that the analytical mind cannot.

    Spiritual Regulation: Finding peace often requires “stepping back” from a stressed mind through practices like meditation, allowing for an openness to God even when specific questions remain unanswered.

    Trusting in God’s Reach: A central theme is the belief that individuals cannot “get out of God’s reach,” and that His love is not dependent on common organizational membership.

    Leadership Applications

    Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can support those in transition by listening without an agenda to “fix” or judge them, ensuring the individual feels safe and “not othered” within the community.

    Managing Parental and Leader Panic: Tucker advises leaders to trust in the “deep goodness” of the youth and recognize that God’s plan is large enough to encompass their questions and journeys.

    Focusing on Connection Over Advice: Instead of providing a “five-point plan” or intellectual rebuttals, leaders should focus on maintaining a loving relationship, mirroring the “eternal bond” offered by God and Christ.

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

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