That UFO Podcast

In Part 1, journalist and The Good Trouble Show host Matt Ford discusses his background, early interest in UFOs, personal experiences, and why stigma continues to shape the conversation.
We explore how experiencers are affected by ridicule, why many stay silent for decades, and the human cost of dismissing the phenomenon outright.
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In this special archival episode, we revisit a largely forgotten but highly significant moment in modern UFO history.
In November 2007, international military, aviation, scientific, and government officials gathered at the National Press Club in Washington DC to publicly discuss their UFO encounters and official investigations, a full decade before the subject re-entered the mainstream conversation in 2017.
Participants included senior figures from the United States, United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Iran, Peru, and Chile, many of whom described incidents involving radar tracking, military interception, physical effects, and objects exhibiting performance beyond known technology.
This episode is compiled from the original 2007 event recordings and is published with the explicit permission of filmmaker James Fox. Advertising on this episode supports the continued production and archiving of historical UFO material.
The release of this archival event comes ahead of the upcoming National Press Club UAP press conference taking place in Washington DC on January 20th, where new witnesses and experts are expected to address the issue. A link to that event is included in the show notes.
This episode is presented for historical and educational purposes and provides essential context for understanding how today’s UFO discussion was shaped long before the current disclosure era.
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In this episode, I’m joined once again by Avi Loeb, Harvard astrophysicist, head of the Galileo Project, and author of Extraterrestrial and Interstellar.
We dive deep into 3I/ATLAS, the third known interstellar object ever detected, and why it has sparked intense scientific interest and public debate. Avi explains the unusual features of this object, including its anti-tail, orbital alignment, and chemical signatures, and why these anomalies deserve serious scrutiny.
We also discuss the CIA’s “neither confirm nor deny” response to records about 3I/ATLAS, the idea of black swan events, criticism of narrow SETI searches, and why institutional risk-aversion may be holding science back.
This conversation explores interstellar visitors, scientific curiosity, stigma, and what discovering extraterrestrial technology would mean for humanity’s future.
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At the start of 2026, the UFO disclosure conversation appears more fractured than ever. Andy is joined by journalist and Psicoactivo podcast host Pavel to break down David Grusch’s recent comments on The Age of Disclosure, his criticism of senior intelligence figures, and the growing divide within the disclosure movement itself. From insider testimony and documentary narratives to experiencers, biologics, and public readiness, this episode explores where disclosure stands and where it may be heading next.
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In Part 2, the conversation moves from history into consequences.
Andy and Ryan examine how UFO skepticism evolved from scientific caution into something far more strategic. They explore radar interference theories, early claims of recovered craft, and whether figures like Donald Menzel knowingly participated in long-term counterintelligence efforts.
The discussion expands into modern UFO debates, including skepticism versus debunking, the treatment of eyewitness testimony, belief systems, and why the burden of proof in UFO research remains uniquely high.
This episode asks a difficult question: if skepticism was shaped by intelligence needs decades ago, are we still arguing inside rules that were set long before we knew they existed?
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