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Skillet's John and Korey Cooper just described spiritual abuse they endured at an NAR church. Unfortunately, their story shapes a pattern showing up in many churches across the country. Josh, Michael and Michael will speak with a former elder of the Cooper's church to understand what happened and learn how to better recognize spiritual abuse. 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
John and Korey Cooper recently sat down for a long, detailed interview on Alisa Childers' YouTube channel (link to full episode below) and described what they say happened inside Korey's lifelong church. Leadership they'd trusted for decades had quietly embraced New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) theology. When the Coopers began asking direct theological questions, they say the response wasn't a proper answer. Instead, it was pressure, prophetic words used against people close to them, and warnings that leaving would cost them God's blessing.

In reviewing the Coopers' story, Joshua Lewis, Michael Miller, and Michael Rowntree will walk through what the New Apostolic Reformation actually teaches about apostolic authority, why "sound doctrine" so easily gets redefined once a leader claims that kind of role, and why asking a direct question about a church's beliefs should never be treated as rebellion. We'll look at where this movement's theology runs into what Scripture actually says about who qualifies to lead (1 Timothy 3, Titus 1:9), who the church is actually built on (Ephesians 2:20), and whether any leader, even a real apostle, is above correction (Galatians 1:8).

Join us to better understand the Coopers' story and learn how to spot spiritual abuse before it costs you.

ALISA CHILDERS' INTERVIEW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GwayjaKqfQ

0:00 — Introduction
2:19 — Church Background and Leadership
11:32 — When Good Masks Abuse
45:51 — Challenging Leadership Doctrine
47:19 — Manipulation Through Loyalty
55:14 — Gossip, Discernment, Accountability
1:07:14 — Spiritual Abuse and Coverup
1:18:05 — Life After Leaving
1:18:51 — Red Flags in Leadership
1:20:30 — Authoritarian Leadership Patterns
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John Bevere's "Under Cover" has sold close to half a million copies and shaped how a generation of churches views submission. In a previous episode, Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller discussed the dangers of the type of authority Bevere's book promotes (see link below). But does "Under Cover" also present a different Gospel? 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Josh and Michael return to "Under Cover" to track how often the book confuses law and gospel, treating obedience as the source of faith and the ground of salvation instead of its fruit. They compare Bevere's own quotes against Luke 14, Matthew 7, Galatians, Hebrews 11, and James 2. 

Unfortunately, what they find is a consistent pattern: obedience is the ground of assurance instead of its fruit, and faith is treated as something you earn your way into rather than something freely given.

Join us to understand where Bevere's book veers from Scripture and how to better recognize doctrinal drift when you see it.

0:00 – Introduction
1:03 – Law and Gospel Explained
6:49 – Luke 14 Wedding Parable
17:16 – Matthew 7:21 Lord Lord
30:41 – Bevere's Sobering Vision
35:04 – God's Unconditional Acceptance
42:43 – Cain, Abel, and Faith
50:31 – Galatians and Witchcraft Curse
59:51 – Abraham's Obedience Examined
1:09:16 – James, Faith Without Works

PREVIOUS EPISODE ON JOHN BEVERE'S "UNDER COVER":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWoF5MsH9pE
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Ask a first-century rabbi if biblical prophecy had ceased, and he'd say yes. Ask him if God still spoke, and he'd tell you about the Bat Kol.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Josh, Michael and Michael explore the biblical case that prophecy operates at more than one level of authority. Scripture itself is uniquely inspired, infallible, and authoritative, while other genuine prophetic revelation can still occur without becoming Scripture. To explore this more, we turn to rabbinic Judaism and the fascinating concept of the Bat Kol.

Bat Kol means "daughter of a voice." It's rabbinic Judaism's term for a diminished echo of prophecy that kept showing up long after the age of the biblical prophets. This historical evidence suggests that the idea of genuine, non-canonical revelation was not foreign to ancient Jewish thought and may provide important historical support for the continuity view of prophecy.
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Can you take the mark of the beast by accident? Get it through an RFID chip? A vaccine? A barcode to buy and sell? It's a question that's kept believers concerned, especially with new technologies appearing. But most answers on the Internet start in the wrong place. Michael Rowntree starts in the Bible with Ezekiel and Deuteronomy.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Michael walks through Revelation 13:16–18, then follows it back to its Old Testament roots. His case: the mark of the beast was never a physical mark, but a spiritual insignia, a counterfeit of God's own seal. What it actually signifies is allegiance.

Join Michael to understand:
- Why Ezekiel 9 and Deuteronomy 6 hold the real key to interpreting Revelation 13:16–18
- How the seal of God in Revelation 7:3 and 14:4 and the mark of the beast counterfeit each other
- Why the mark speaks of allegiance, ownership, and protection, and why none of those happen to you by accident
- A closer look at gematria, the practice of calculating 666 to pin down a specific antichrist, and why Michael thinks it falls short
- What Michael believes it actually means to prepare for the mark of the beast today

0:00 – Introduction
1:11 – Revelation 13 Mark Text
3:34 – Seal Context Revelation 6-7
7:55 – Ezekiel 9 Background
10:00 – Deuteronomy 6 Background
11:57 – Counterfeits in Revelation 13
13:40 – Daniel 7 & the Four Beasts
15:27 – Tests of Allegiance
18:46 – Technology and the Mark
20:20 – Decoding 666
23:48 – The World Made Right
25:21 – Hope in Revelation

📖BOOK:
The World Made Right: Finding Confident Hope in the Book of Revelation 
https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/
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A lot of churches either forbid tongues in public altogether or let them run with no interpretation and no order. Scripture never actually gives you those two options. So what does the Bible prescribe for the gift of tongues in church? 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Josh, Michael, and Michael sit down with the question that splits churches on both sides of the Word and Spirit divide: what does it actually look like to practice the gifts of tongues and interpretation, named together in 1 Corinthians 12:10, in corporate worship, biblically? Not in theory, but in practice, on a Sunday, in a room full of people, with order intact and the body edified.

Cessationist churches simply avoid the conversation entirely by not recognizing that the gift of tongues is still for today. Meanwhile, many charismatic churches practice tongues publicly with real sincerity but without the structure Paul actually prescribed: no clear call for interpretation, no one recognized as an interpreter of tongues, no accountability, no sense of "let it be done for building up," for the edification of the church (1 Corinthians 14:26). Both extremes miss what Scripture is actually asking for.

As such, many believers are left without a clear, biblical middle to stand on. We'll walk through 1 Corinthians 14 verse by verse, laying out Paul's actual instructions: what tongues in the assembly is for, why interpretation matters, who should speak and how many, and why "let all things be done decently and in order" (1 Corinthians 14:40) isn't a suppression of the gift but the framework that lets it function safely.

0:00 – Introduction
4:51 – Verifying Authentic Tongues Gift
12:14 – Interpretation Required for Every Tongue?
19:38 – Who Calls Interpretation?
33:49 – Tongue And Interpreter Roles
34:48 – Limits On Tongue Speakers
45:53 – No Interpreter Present
49:54 – Singing In Tongues
52:14 – Interpretation Accuracy Standards
1:02:59 – Shutting Down False Tongues
1:10:36 – Order Not Quenching Spirit
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