Bobby Bones Presents: The BobbyCast

Kat takes the lead as teacher in this episode, walking Amy through a deep dive on Mel Robbins, the controversy around her Let Them Theory, and the viral poem by Cassie Phillips that started it all. Together, Amy and Kat explore plagiarism claims, the idea of “cruel optimism,” and why so many self-help messages start to feel like sales pitches. They share what first drew them to Mel, what’s changed over time, and the 5 questions we can all ask before deciding who to trust in the self-help world.
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Stephen Wilson Jr. joins Bobby to tell the wild path that took him from the science world to writing songs for a living. He talks about what he did before music, why he finally took the leap, and how that analytical brain shows up in the way he writes, records, and builds a career. Stephen also gets into the grind of starting over, how the loss of his father fueled him, and what he’s chasing next as his story keeps getting bigger.
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Kaitlin Butts sits down with Bobby to break down how “You Ain’t Gotta Die” went from a song in her set to the one people show up already knowing—thanks to a viral moment, a karaoke run-in, and a soundcheck decision that unexpectedly changed everything. She talks about why the track feels cathartic to sing, what it’s like hearing a crowd belt it back, and how leaning into vulnerability on stage has become the whole point. Plus: growing up between city life and Oklahoma country life, navigating industry attention after the song popped, and why being fully yourself is the only strategy that lasts.
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Cody Johnson stops by to talk about the scariest kind of setback for a singer: damaging his ear and wondering if his voice would ever feel the same again. He walks Bobby through the surgery, the unexpected upside of vocal rest, and what it’s like recording a new album after that kind of fear. Then it gets real-life Cody growing up near Huntsville, Texas, sneaking into bars at 14 to sing, and the no-plan-B moment that pushed him to chase music for real. Bobby also digs into Cody’s unique perspective from being around the prison world through his dad’s job, including what people get wrong about it and what actually happens day to day. Plus: the rodeo lifestyle, building his ranch, the Houston Rodeo break, riding out on a horse, and why entertaining a crowd still feels like a drug.
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Bobby remembers Brad Arnold, frontman of 3 Doors Down, who died on Saturday February 7th at the age of 47 following a battle with cancer.

He was diagnosed with stage 4 clear cell renal cell carcinoma, a type of kidney cancer, in 2025. The band shared a statement on social media announcing his death. Brad stopped by back in 2019 to talk about their biggest songs Kryptonite, Here Without You, Be Like That and more. Brad wrote most of their first record when he was in high school and started as the singer and drummer for the band.
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