The Ned Ludd Radio Hour

Would you date a chatbot? That might sound an unlikely proposition but new research suggests that 1 in 10 Gen Zers has engaged romantically with an AI companion. This looks like the next frontier in internet dating; one that could reshape how our society functions. Or is this just a case of a few weirdos on the web claiming to tabloid journalists that they're married to their iPhone? This week, we'll be trying to unravel some of the mysteries around AI companions and the growing romantic and sexual connections people feel with them.

My guest is James Muldoon, a sociologist based at the University of Essex and author of the recent book Love Machines: How Artificial Intelligence is Transforming Our Relationships. James has been researching this topic for a while now and talking to lots of people who have differing interactions with – and, yes, relationships with – AI companions. The book is packed with interesting case studies, a few of which we’ll touch upon in this conversation, so do stick around and listen.

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Last month, hundreds of anti-AI protestors took to the streets of London to protest the growing ubiquity of the technology. Is this the start of a Ludditesque movement or just a howl into the void? Alys Key – author of the UK 2.0 Substack – was on site, covering the protests for Transformer. In this episode of The Ned Ludd Radio Hour we discuss the protests in London and whether they're a case study for a movement that will accelerate in the coming years. What brings these disparate protestors together? And what can they learn from those in the climate activism world who have gone before them?

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Cover artwork is by Tom Humberstone.
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Is the age of literacy – the primacy of the written word – ending? Put another way, are we entering a new world where frayed attention spans, technological enshittification and political polarisation drive people away from the intentional act of reading, and towards more instantly gratifying cultural forms? Like podcasts…

To discuss all this, I'm joined by by the cultural critic James Marriott and writer and co-director of Galley Beggar Press, Sam Jordison. The dominance of the iPhone, the insidious control mechanism of short-form video, the destabilising impact of endlessly socialised media; all of these things were conspiring to make us less likely to read books. The question, really, is: does it matter? Is this just a natural evolution, as technology has given us increasingly diverse and accessible entertainment outputs, that shouldn’t be fought? Or does the decline in literacy present us with a real risk – that we will lose the critical skills established over the 600 years since Johannes Gutenberg inverted his printing press?

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The theme music is by Apes of the State.
The cover artwork is by Tom Humberstone.
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Much of how we see the world is governed by a sense of fear. It’s what keeps me driving within the legal limits. Fear of a crash and fear of the reprisals for speeding. Since AI became a big cause celébrè, it has also been the catalyst for fears. There is the fear that AI might cause the extinction of the human species, and the fear that it might render me redundant. What if an AI model launches its own neo-Luddite podcast and puts me out of business?

To discuss these issues, I dialled up Hagen Blix a New York based cognitive scientist and author, with Ingeborg Glimmer, of a new book: Why We Fear AI. As we try and rationalise our new Luddism, it felt like Hagen’s book might provide some instruction on responding, calmly, to the distant promise of disaster. With all that in mind, here’s our conversation.

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When I started this podcast, I was feeling a bit gloomy about the way that technology was heading, but I wasn’t gripped by full-on panic.

Yet here we are, a year or so later, and I feel like I’ve been radicalised. Not a day goes by when there isn’t some announcement from Silicon Valley that would chill the blood of even the more rational of tech consumers. We are heading into the vortex.

This is a world that Ned Ludd predicted to me, when we first started exchanging emails more than a year ago. I haven’t heard from them in a while. I’m vaguely aware of what’s going on in their life and understanding of why they don’t feel the need to bombard me with their thoughts about how to arrest this techno-decline, but still, I feel the battle being lost. I remember something they wrote to me back at the start of this journey. “THE CAR DOESN’T GO INTO REVERSE, BUT IT MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER ROAD.”

It's not an amazing metaphor, not least because most – dare I say, all – cars do, actually, go into reverse. But the necessity for a different road still strikes me. I don’t want to just accept that all the bad things I fear will come to pass will come to pass. Can’t we do something?

The Luddites, who inspired this show, smashed up automated machinery in the 19th century. They didn’t want to lose their jobs, their livelihoods – their purposes – to new fangled automation. They’ve gone down in history as belligerent refuseniks, railing against the inevitable tide of history. But as you’ll hear in today’s discussion, they’ve had a real lasting impact on little things like labour laws and trade unions.

My guest is Mauro Lubrano, author of a new book Stop the Machines: The Rise of Anti-Tech Extremism. Originally hailing from Italy, Mauro is now a lecturer in international relations at the University of Bath, and someone who has thought, and written, about the action that might be taken (for better or worse) against our machine overlords. Have a listen to our conversation now.
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