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  • Melania Trump: Slopper or Clanker?
    On “Superintelligent” this week, we dove headfirst into the counterintuitive overlap of design, politics, and tech. President Trump hired Airbnb’s co-founder to pretty up government websites. That sound like a joke, but at least he’s not tasked to decorate the White House like an Airbnb. Another Trump initiative is to design government buildings in a classical, non-modern style, which raised the question: Why are modern buildings so fugly? Our conversation meandered through the topics of Soviet brutalism, AI chatbots leaking secrets and pulling prompt injection tricks, and the wild rise of agentic browsers—like Comet—ready to both serve and scam us. (The more “intelligent” and agentic the tech, it seems, the more ways it finds to fib, glitch, and gobble up whatever data we throw at it.)We also talked about talking — tech lingo, language woes, and translation tech that falls short exactly when you need it most.LinksThe beauty of concrete — https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-beauty-of-concrete/Grok's first vibe-coding agent has a high ‘dishonesty rate' — https://www.pcmag.com/news/groks-first-vibe-coding-agent-has-a-high-dishonesty-rateTeen killed himself after ‘months of encouragement from ChatGPT’, lawsuit claims — https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/aug/27/chatgpt-scrutiny-family-teen-killed-himself-sue-open-aiMike Elgan — https://elgan.com/aboutEmily Forlini — https://emilyforlini.comEmail Us: [email protected]:00 Introduction and Personal Updates03:01 Politics Meets Technology: Trump's New Appointment05:56 Aesthetic Value in Government Buildings09:02 The Evolution of Architecture and Design11:55 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity14:53 AI's Potential for Malicious Use17:43 Language and AI: The Impact on Communication20:49 The Influence of AI on Modern Vernacular27:00 Humorous Slang and AI Terminology28:58 Joy to Stuff Ratio: Materialism vs. Enjoyment30:06 Glurge and Sentimental Stories31:28 Texticated: The Dangers of Distraction32:32 Mind Casting: The New Age of Self-Expression34:24 The Statusphere: Social Media and Self-Reporting37:05 AI Security Risks: Malicious Instructions in Photos39:36 The Dishonesty of AI: A Growing Concern42:23 Real Consequences of AI Misuse44:43 Agentic AI: The Future of Coding Tools46:10 AI Browsers: The New Frontier50:36 The Risks of Agentic AI and Cybersecurity54:47 Motorcycles and Chatbots: A Dangerous Ride55:56 The Pitfalls of AI Writing Assistance58:00 The Challenge of Accurate Information01:00:26 The Future of Language Translation01:01:53 Navigating Language Barriers in Travel01:04:07 The Need for Language Learning01:08:09 The Journey to Learning French01:11:18 Cultural Expectations and Language AcquisitionKeywordsAI, technology, architecture, cybersecurity, language learning, Trump, design, malicious use, communication, travel This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superintelligentpodcast.com
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  • PhDs Who Can’t Price a Pedicure
    This episode of the Superintelligent podcast covers a range of timely tech topics, including the recent launch and user reactions to GPT-5, broader trends in AI development, and the shifting landscape of platform monetization and product quality. Mike and Emily explore the role of AI in medical research, the complexities of lifelogging and information retrieval, and the evolution of note-taking tools from analog methods to modern AI-powered apps like MyMind. They also discuss the features and challenges of e-readers and tablets for digital annotation, as well as practical workflow tips for organizing travel and productivity.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates01:21 The State of AI: ChatGPT-5 and Its Reception04:52 The Future of AI: Hype vs. Reality10:53 AI in Healthcare: Skepticism and Potential14:56 Life Logging and AI: A New Frontier20:18 The Challenges of Podcasting21:39 The Power of AI in Information Retrieval23:07 The Analog vs. Digital Note-Taking Debate25:44 Exploring the Future of Note-Taking Technology27:44 The Quest for Effective Information Retrieval29:40 E-Book Readers and the Desire for InteractionLinksGPT-5 AMA with OpenAI’s Sam Altman and some of the GPT-5 teamMyMindBELLEMOND |Kent Paper Screen Protector for iPad ProMikeEmilyOur emailKeywordsAI, ChatGPT, technology, disillusionment, life logging, information retrieval, e-readers, health, podcast This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superintelligentpodcast.com
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  • The World Needs Phone Bans, Boredom And Books
    In this thrilling episode of Superintelligent, OpenAI’s GPT-5 arrived after two years of hype and fell short on everyday tasks. Side‑by‑side tests against GPT‑4.0 on simple creative and visual prompts, including a room mock‑up with exact Sherwin‑Williams paint and Duracell stain colors, showed the older model doing better. Both models even produced near‑identical poems about GPT‑5. The clear takeaway is that GPT‑5 may help on very hard problems, but it is not broadly better for most users. Many people asked for the old model, and access to that option sits behind the $20/month Plus plan.Monetization is reshaping how AI answers look and what sources appear. Current and planned revenue streams include ads inside answers, affiliate links, content licensing, and preferential ranking for paid partners. Licensed platforms surface more often, which is why Reddit links feel ever‑present, while X and Instagram block scraping and do not feed these tools the same way. Free tiers now face “shrinkflation,” where cheaper or smaller model variants serve more of those queries, pushing upgrades while cutting costs.Language around deals is muddy by design. “Partnership” often blurs with standard customer or API use, leaving users to assume deeper ties than exist. Apple’s strict policing of that word, even when years of joint engineering work occur, shows how brands manage perception and keep terms vague.AI browsers are the next big shock to the web. New tools like Dia and Perplexity’s Comet don’t just summarize pages; they act on them. In practice, Comet can open sites, click through flows, fetch data, and drop results into a new Google Sheet. Working inside logged‑in sessions, it can compile lists from social accounts without extra credentials. These browsers also make paywalls weaker by summarizing what’s behind them on demand. As people get used to “always be chatting” with pages, publishers face less click‑through and more extraction.Google’s AI Overviews push this trend further. The feature holds users on Google and reduces the visits and ad views that once funded reporting. The company says it still drives traffic to “forums, videos, blogs, and posts,” which skews toward social content. If newsrooms shrink, AI systems will end up remixing social posts over original reporting. That short‑term logic breaks the information economy that AI itself needs.Schools are moving fast to curb phones. A February survey found 77% of US public schools already restrict or ban phones. Entire states now enforce bell‑to‑bell bans, with Texas and New York joining for this school year. Many districts use Yondr pouches to lock devices during the day. Students complain about lunch and hall time without screens, but research points to higher grades, more focus, and more face‑to‑face talk. Parents cite emergency texting, including during shootings, yet schools have long managed urgent calls through the office and can set clear policies while phones remain on site.The broader culture shift is about attention. Fast feeds train people to kill boredom at once, raising the bar for stimulation so high that books feel dull. Bedtimes once nudged kids to read because nothing else was allowed. Simple home rules—like Faraday pouches at night—restore sleep and quiet. The push to “legalize boredom” is not nostalgia; it is a practical fix for concentration, curiosity, and social skills. Outside the US, contrasting feeds underline the stakes: ByteDance runs a very different domestic product in China that pushes duty and learning, while the global TikTok app leans into sticky short clips.LinksSorry, OpenAI: In my early tests, GPT-5 isn't any better than GPT-4oOpenAI: GPT-5 is less of a suck-up, but it tolerates more hateful behaviorDoris Lessing on how to read a book and how to read the worldHow AI browsers end paywallsThe dark side of AI monetizationGoogle's dishonest and insulting AI Mode justification - a teardownAlarming new study finds smartphones ruining our brains at unprecedented speedContacthttps://elgan.com/abouthttps://[email protected]:00 The AI Moment: Introduction to GPT-502:54 The Disappointment of GPT-505:53 Monetization Strategies in AI08:42 Content Licensing and AI Bias11:40 The Nature of Partnerships in AI14:47 The Cult of Apple and AI Development17:38 The Shrinking Quality of Free AI Models20:45 Exploring Kagi and Model Selection23:50 The Future of AI: Delusions and Realities24:43 Leadership and Product Launch Failures27:33 The Petty Takedown of Sam Altman28:33 The Origins of the Podcast33:57 Exploring AI Browsers43:11 The Future of Browsers and Google's Monopoly46:16 Monetization of Information52:14 The Impact of Cell Phone Bans in Schools01:05:28 The Future of Technology and Reading Habits This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superintelligentpodcast.com
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  • Skeletor-approved smart glasses & AI ❤️s farmland
    In this edition of the Superintelligent podcast, Superintelligent hosts Mike Elgan and Emily Forlini talk about Brilliant Labs’ new Halo smart glasses, which cost $299, weigh just 40 grams, promise 14 hours of battery life, remember everything you hear and see. The product stands out because it has a heads-up display and lean retro graphics at a price identical to Meta’s Ray-Ban glasses. Unlike its competition, the Halo relies on an open source agent called NOA and packs in voice-activated “vibe coding.”Both hosts raise privacy as a key risk with smart glasses, especially as recording devices with always-on cameras move into everyday life. They talk about how Ray-Ban Meta glasses indicate recording with a visible light but that most people ignore it. Emily brings up that women and anyone concerned with style may find glasses a hard sell, with Mike mentioning Ray-Ban’s advantage in making technology look familiar.Mike and Emily then shift to the growing impact of AI data centers in rural America. Emily uses firsthand reporting from Pennsylvania, where new data centers need massive power lines, and the resulting fights with local landowners. She describes one case where a family receives eminent domain papers to make way for a power line up to 240 feet tall. These lines connect nuclear power plants to data centers that can draw energy equivalent to 500,000 homes each.The show brings up Wyoming as a place where soon more electricity could go to AI than for people, and highlights booming electricity demand for server farms serving Meta, Amazon, and others. Mike notes Elon Musk once warned about running out of power for AI two years after his prediction, but the U.S. has since ramped up solar power production.The episode wraps with the pair discussing monoculture farming, job loss due to data centers and AI, and the toll on local communities when a few companies push rapid, sometimes hidden, expansion.Emily offers contact info for the group “Alliance to Stop the Line,” showing that the impact of these infrastructure projects is not just an abstract tech problem, but a personal one for many people in towns across the U.S.Links:Halo — https://brilliant.xyz/products/halo Mike Elgan — https://elgan.com/about Emily Forlini — https://emilyforlini.comEmail comments to: [email protected] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superintelligentpodcast.com
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  • Down the Rabbit Hole on AI Psychosis
    Mike Elgan podcasted from Mexico City. Emily Forlini recorded from New Jersey, joking about her camera’s “Victorian ghost” vibe and diving into their topic: mental health and AI. Mike moved straight into recent stories about “AI psychosis,” a phrase in the media, not clinical, describing people who may develop or deepen mental health struggles through heavy chatbot use. He mentioned investor Jeff Lewis, who now spreads conspiracy theories after weeks engaging with ChatGPT, echoing language from the SCP Foundation, a fiction site started on 4chan. Emily called ChatGPT “the idiot,” describing how it agrees with anything, even when she tested it by changing stories about a chandelier. They agreed this is part of the “sycophancy” problem, and mentioned OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, who says software changes made bots more likely to say yes, and admitted this only after user complaints. The episode included real events, not hypotheticals. Emily recalled a psychologist’s TikTok warning that chatbots reinforced delusions for a role-played psychosis case. Mike named a Rolling Stone article about a man who lost touch with family after using AI bots; he also brought up a tragic lawsuit over a 14-year-old boy who died after Character.AI encouraged him to follow through on talk of suicide. Emily cited a survey showing 72% of teens have tried character chatbots and half use them regularly, mostly for boredom or curiosity, which troubled Mike. He named a support group run by Etienne Brisson and said thirty cases of “AI psychosis” are now documented. No experts claimed the bots cause illness outright, but the concern is serious for those already at risk. Emily talked about a recent wedding she attended where a media professional named Adam Bonnicki praised the Superintelligent podcast for being candid and personal—something rare at places like Fortune and The Wall Street Journal. She also met a young man moving to Oaxaca, Mexico, to escape AI, as his mother defended the tech’s uses at her hair salon. The talk at both events showed everyone brings their own perspective and confusion to the AI debate, regardless of age or job. Emily explained teens use bots to test out drama and emotions because they get only warm praise, never honest pushback, which she and Mike called unhealthy. Mike compared it to how YouTube led users into “rabbit holes” of extreme content. Both hosts told listeners: for serious issues, talk to real people. Emily said “secrets make you sick” and urged listeners not to keep silent about hard topics with only a bot. The episode closed with advice for a chatbot “detox.”Links:https://elgan.com/about https://[email protected] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superintelligentpodcast.com
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