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AI Education Podcast

Podcast AI Education Podcast
Dan Bowen and Ray Fleming
Dan Bowen and Ray Fleming are experienced education renegades who have worked in many various educational institutions and educational companies across the worl...

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  • Education in an AI age - Graham Brown-Martin
    Dan and Ray welcome Graham Brown Martin, a seasoned expert in education technology, for a very(!) thought-provoking conversation about navigating education in the rapidly evolving age of artificial intelligence. In this episode: Discover Graham's journey through multiple technological revolutions—from early mainframes and pioneering laser-disc technology to modern-day AI. Hear stories from Graham's past, including his role in bringing together provocative figures like Katherine Birbalsingh and Malcolm McLaren to challenge the status quo in education. Reflect on the historical context of industrial revolutions and their ongoing influence on our current educational systems. Understand why Graham argues that education is still stuck in outdated 19th-century practices and how the pandemic reinforced rather than changed this dynamic. Explore why Graham believes relational skills, creativity, empathy, and human collaboration will define education and employment in the fifth industrial revolution. Graham's call to action? Shifting educational and economic models to prioritise human-centric skills and societal value.   Find out more about Graham on his website: GrahamBrownMartin.com Follow Graham on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grahambrownmartin/ 
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  • From Butterflies to Bias: Dr. Nici Sweaney on Building Responsible AI in Schools
    In this episode Dan and Ray sit down with Dr. Nici (Nikki) Sweaney—founder of “AI Her Way,” gender equality advocate, and globally recognized AI consultant. After a fascinating career journey from butterfly ecology to statistics to AI, Nici now helps schools and organizations create ethical, responsible, and effective AI strategies. She shares her insights on responsible AI adoption, gender equity, bias, and how schools can proactively plan for an AI-driven future. Follow Nici on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-nici-sweaney/  Nici's Ai Her Way website  Book in a discovery call with Nici Make an Inquiry about PD for your school: https://www.aiherway.com.au/professional-development  Book Nici as a speaker https://www.aiherway.com.au/speaking-engagements Nici's will be speaking at lots of events in March, if you'd like to hear more, and ask your own questions! March 5 - Australian Retirement Trust live podcast recording, Brisbane March 6 - Canon, online event for IWD March 6 - National Press Club, "Women in Media Canberra Networking Night: Democracy under threat? Unpacking mis/disinformation in Australia" Canberra March 7 - Powerful Steps, IWD Event, 'Empowering Women, Changing Lives', Sydney March 13 - Hoyts, IWD Event, Advancing Women in the AI Era, Sydney March 17 - Women in Data and Digital (Australian Public Service), Online event for IWD March 25 - ARIA's Innovator Conference, Sydney March 27 - Learning Environments Australia Conference, "Architecting Future Learning Environments with AI", Sydney Key Topics & Takeaways Nici’s Career Path: Ecology, Academia & AI How studying butterfly behavior and coding in R sparked her interest in data and algorithms. Transition from 17 years in academia to AI consulting, focusing on statistics, data analytics, and ethical tech. The ‘Aha’ Moment with ChatGPT Discovering ChatGPT in late 2022 and realizing its massive potential for education—and society at large. Balancing excitement and existential questions (“What is the point of humanity?”) when first encountering generative AI. Bias, Equity & Ethical AI How AI systems inherit the biases found in the internet’s data—and why that’s problematic for underrepresented groups. Why women’s perspectives (and other minority voices) are crucial in AI development and how current data sets often perpetuate stereotypes.\ Nici's passion for closing the AI gender gap and practical steps schools can take. Building AI Literacy & Culture in Schools The importance of having a written guideline (rather than a static policy) for AI use in schools. How to engage teachers and staff: start with small wins—solving real pain points such as lesson planning or admin tasks. Creating a “community of practice” so that staff share prompts, workflows, and best practices. Parent and Community Involvement Addressing misconceptions and fears by informing families about AI’s capabilities, risks, and benefits. Why schools must proactively explain why they’re teaching AI skills—and how they're doing so responsibly. Rethinking Assessment & Student Skills Moving beyond “fact recall” to deeper inquiry, collaboration, ethical reflection, and higher-order thinking. Teaching students how AI works (at a conceptual level) so they can use it responsibly and critically. Encouraging leadership traits like empathy, diversity of thought, and clear communication—assets for both human collaboration and AI prompting. Global Perspectives & Data Sovereignty The challenges of relying on global tech giants for AI tools and data security. Understanding AI as a “private commodity,” not a universal public resource—what that means for Australian schools and beyond. Practical Steps for School Leaders Survey staff to find out their AI familiarity, pain points, and training needs. Start with low-hanging fruit: use AI to streamline daily tasks, then build toward larger strategic workflows. Sustain momentum via ongoing PD, regular sharing sessions, and involving all stakeholders, including parents.  
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  • Faculty Perspectives on AI with Digital Education Council's Danny Bielik
    In this episode, Ray and Dan are joined by Danny Bielik, President of the Digital Education Council, to discuss the findings of a global AI faculty survey. With insights from 52 institutions across 28 countries, Danny shares how higher education faculty are adopting AI, the biggest concerns around academic integrity and assessment, and why AI literacy is still a challenge for many. Key topics include: 🔹 The real impact of AI on teaching and learning 🔹 How universities are using AI for teaching materials and admin 🔹 The debate on AI and job security for faculty 🔹 Why assessment and academic integrity need a rethink 🔹 How institutions can benchmark their AI strategies 📌 Links & Resources: 📄 Download the Global AI Faculty Survey Report 🌍 Learn more about the Digital Education Council 🔗 Follow Danny Bielik on LinkedIn
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  • AI Book review, or News and Research?
    Book Club Podcast? Before we even got to the News and Research, this week we discussed the AI-related books we're currently reading: Dan's reading: Where Good Ideas Come From, by Steven Johnson (TED Talk) Why Data Science Projects Fail, by Douglas Gray and Evan Shellshear (An interview with Evan) Ray's reading  The Atlas of AI: Power, Politics, and the Planetary Costs of Artificial Intelligence, by Kate Crawford (Wikipedia page) News Links Links to the reports and news we discuss in the episode: OpenAI's new Education newsletter https://openaiforeducation.substack.com/ Ethan Mollick's new "AI in Education: Leveraging ChatGPT for Teaching" course on Coursera https://www.coursera.org/learn/wharton-ai-in-education-leveraging-chatgpt-for-teaching World Economic Forum "Future of Jobs report" https://www.weforum.org/publications/the-future-of-jobs-report-2025/infographics-94b6214b36/ Student expelled and deported because they were accused of using ChatGPT by their professor. So they're suing their professor https://www.fox9.com/video/1574324 Digital Education Council Global AI Faculty Survey 2025 https://www.digitaleducationcouncil.com/post/digital-education-council-global-ai-faculty-survey We'll discuss this report with one of the authors in next week's episode UK government policy paper on "Generative artificial intelligence (AI) in education" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/generative-artificial-intelligence-in-education/generative-artificial-intelligence-ai-in-education Year13 Case Study on AI use https://news.microsoft.com/en-au/2024/12/13/guiding-school-leavers-with-ai-support-year13s-mission-to-democratise-opportunities-for-young-people/ AI Use by industry employees - US, 2024 https://www.nber.org/papers/w32966 In the discussion of energy use by AI, Ray mentioned some stats from this research report: "The Carbon Emissions of Writing and Illustrating Are Lower for AI than for Humans"  https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2303/2303.06219.pdf Research Papers And finally, links to the research papers we discussed this week ChatGPT and Its Educational Impact: Insights from a Software Development Competition https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.03779  How to Align Large Language Models for Teaching English? Designing and Developing LLM based-Chatbot for Teaching English Conversation in EFL, Findings and Limitations https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.04987  AI Meets the Classroom: When Does ChatGPT Harm Learning? https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.09047  Are Large Language Models Good Essay Graders? https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.13120  An Education Researcher's Guide to ChatGPT https://osf.io/spbz3  A Step Towards Adaptive Online Learning: Exploring the Role of GPT as Virtual Teaching Assistants in Online Education https://osf.io/preprints/edarxiv/rw45b  The AI Assessment Scale (AIAS) in action: A pilot implementation of GenAI-supported assessment https://ajet.org.au/index.php/AJET/article/view/9434     
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  • AI Excellence: A Conversation with Katie Ford
    This week we get to catch up with Katie Ford of Microsoft Australia, who tells us about the projects that have been happening in AI in Education around Australia, and shares some of the lessons learnt from the projects as well as what she is learning through her own research focus. The examples Katie discusses are: Tasmania Department of Education: Collaborated with Microsoft to enhance their data estate and prepare for AI applications aimed at identifying vulnerable children during COVID, helping to reveal overlooked demographics and improve interventions. University of New South Wales (UNSW): Engaged in multiple initiatives including embedding AI intelligence into complex institutional systems and processes, and developing the Academic Success Monitor to predict and intervene early with students disengaging from education. This proactive outreach is personalised and has shown positive impacts on student success rates. South Australia Department of Education: Pioneered the use of generative AI in classrooms, equipping educators with AI tools to enhance teaching and learning, making it one of the first in the world to adopt such technology at this scale. New South Wales Department of Education: Implemented AI thoughtfully to support educators, focusing on significant time savings and improved experiences in the classroom, with a commitment to reducing teacher workloads by five hours weekly. NSWEduChat Brisbane Catholic Education: Conducted a successful pilot with Microsoft Copilot, saving educators an average of 9.3 hours per week, which led to a wider rollout across the board to boost productivity and support staff well-being.  Brisbane Catholic Education to deploy Microsoft 365 Copilot to 12,500 educators and support staff, in largest rollout for K-12 globally - Microsoft Australia News Centre University of Sydney: Developed Cogniti to enable academics to control generative AI usage within their courses, facilitating the creation and monitoring of AI agents to enhance educational delivery and student monitoring. Torrens University: Used Azure OpenAI to overhaul their Learning Management System, addressing user experience feedback, enhancing accessibility, and saving both cost and labour significantly. Of course, we get diverted off course along the way, with a mention of platypus spotting, and Ray's visceral hatred of automated supermarket tills gets ha mention
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Dan Bowen and Ray Fleming are experienced education renegades who have worked in many various educational institutions and educational companies across the world. They talk about Artificial Intelligence in Education - what it is, how it works, and the different ways it is being used. It's not too serious, or too technical, and is intended to be a good conversation. Please note the views on the podcast are our own or those of our guests, and not of our respective employers (unless we say otherwise at the time!)
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