Chalk & Talk

• From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb (Ep 49)

  In this episode, Anna Stokke interviews The Right Honourable Sir Nick Gibb, former Minister of State for Schools in England. Nick discusses the bold, evidence-based reforms he led over a decade to reverse declining academic performance in English schools. From phonics-based reading instruction to math mastery, he explains how high expectations, rigorous curricula, and a focus on teacher training transformed outcomes—helping England rise to 4th in the world in reading on PIRLS and one of the highest-performing countries on TIMSS.  This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in meaningful education reform. TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction  [00:04:05] The state of English education in 2005 [00:05:50] Problems with progressive education [00:08:12] Math teaching in England before the reforms [00:13:13] Education: A non-partisan issue [00:14:48] Learning about math teaching from Shanghai and Singapore [00:18:01] Competency-based curriculum debate [00:22:00] Reading reforms  [00:26:09] Resistance to the phonics movement [00:32:10] Math reforms implemented for primary education [00:38:08] Attention to detail in curriculum development [00:41:11] Debates on educational standards [00:42:41] Reforming initial teacher training [00:48:24] The Education Endowment Foundation [00:50:21] Liberating the teaching profession  [00:55:07] How the reforms improved student outcomes [00:57:42] Educational outcomes in Scotland and Wales [01:00:38] The future of education reforms [01:06:24] Advice for policymakers and advocates [01:16:00] Reflections and closing remarks RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080 The tweet that roared with Tom Bennett https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpgqn-14326ef Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-49-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-49-resources  MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Oy Studio: Light comedy Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Neatly folded, Momentary Ease, Balti Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

  --------  

  1:19:18
• How we learn: Naive, purposeful, and deliberate practice with Stephen Chew (Ep 48)

  Join math professor Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Stephen Chew, a cognitive psychologist at Samford University. They explore the different types of practice—naive, purposeful, and deliberate—and why understanding these distinctions can transform teaching and improve learning. The discussion also covers how to use feedback effectively, structure worked examples in math class, address common student misconceptions, and build trust in the classroom. They even tackle the term “active learning"—whether it actually means anything useful, and why the research on it may not be as clear as it seems. Packed with practical advice and research-based strategies, this episode is a must-listen for educators at all levels. NOTE: The resource page contains research articles mentioned in the episode: https://www.annastokke.com/resources/episode-48-resources TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction [00:02:53] Understanding naive, purposeful, and deliberate practice [00:13:46] The importance of feedback in learning [00:20:03] Effective use of worked examples [00:25:13] Addressing student misconceptions [00:31:18] Debunking learning myths: Struggle and engagement [00:34:58] Is active learning just a buzzword? [00:37:40] The problem with research on active learning [00:42:35] Nine cognitive challenges for effective teaching [00:44:51] Building trust in the classroom [00:47:55] Desirable difficulties vs. unnecessary challenges [00:51:23] Formative assessment techniques for large classes [00:53:47] The complexity and importance of teaching [00:54:32] Bridging the gap between research and practice RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df Ep 4. Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-thbad-13cea56 Ep 7. How to excel in math and other tough subject with Barbara Oakley https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bqs8p-14068f2 Ep 16. Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-48-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/resources/episode-48-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Cornicob, Momentary Ease, Town Market, Noe Noe Podington Bear – Proliferate Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social  

  --------  

  57:13
• Mailbag: Math facts vs calculators, a logic problem, the Southern surge (Ep 47)

  In this special mailbag episode, Anna Stokke tackles two listener questions and a comment. She breaks down a logic puzzle that stumped some fans, explains why relying on calculators isn’t a substitute for math fact fluency, and highlights comments from a listener about encouraging literacy trends in several Southern U.S. states. TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction and Mailbag Announcement [00:01:08] Question 1: Logic Problem from Episode 40 [00:04:47] Question 2: Can calculators replace math fact fluency? [00:12:00] Comment on states that buck the declining scores trend The Southern Surge: Understanding the Bright Spots in the Literacy Landscape https://www.karenvaites.org/p/the-southern-surge-understanding RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES  Ep 40 From math to science: How weak math skills hurt students https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-mqims-17b512f Ep 36 How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9 Ep 29 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773 Ep 30 Math Fluency matters with Brian Poncy  https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e Ep 45 A decade of decline: Examining falling test scores with Mike Petrilli https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-qeajx-187272a EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-47-transcript MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Momentary Ease, Neatly Folded Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

  --------  

  14:49
• Reclaiming learning time to boost literacy and numeracy with Ross Fox (Ep 46)

  In Episode 46, Anna Stokke chats with Australian education leader Ross Fox. As the former Director of Catholic Education for the Archdiocese of Canberra and Goulburn, Ross led a major shift in teaching practices that led to significant gains in both literacy and numeracy.  The episode begins with an overview of the Australian education system.  They then explore Ross’s implementation of the Catalyst program—an initiative grounded in the science of learning. Ross discusses how high-impact teaching strategies and high-quality instructional materials led to measurable improvements in achievement, reduced inequities, and enhanced student motivation and behaviour.  They also explore why the science of learning movement is critical for the future of education in Australia—and beyond.  This episode will be of interest to educators, school leaders, policymakers, and anyone passionate about improving teaching and learning outcomes. ANNOUNCEMENTS Free Webinar with Dr. Anna Stokke and Dr. Ben Solomon: The Science of Math Instruction: Using Evidence-Based Practices in the Classroom, May 8, 2025.  Registration link: https://home.edweb.net/webinar/mathskills20250508/ researchED Toronto:  https://researched.org.uk/event/researched-toronto-2025/ TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction and announcements  [00:02:33] Introducing Ross Fox  [00:04:14] Understanding the Australian education system  [00:09:56] Challenges in education and the Catalyst program  [00:11:03] The importance of effective teaching and learning  [00:19:22] Implementing the Science of Reading  [00:26:10] Defining and supporting learning  [00:30:45] High impact teaching practices  [00:32:12] Knowledge-rich curriculum  [00:36:17] Implementing effective math pedagogy   [00:40:49] Supporting teachers with high-quality math instructional materials  [00:44:28] Addressing educational inequities  [00:47:34] The Catalyst program: Goals and implementation  [00:49:10] Assessment and feedback for effective teaching  [01:00:53] Professional learning and teacher support  [01:04:09] Future directions and optimism in education  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 26 Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937 Ep 27 Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac Ep 33  Educational leadership:  Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17 Ep 36  How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-3ny3k-17323a9 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-46-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-46-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Podington Bear - Kitten Blue Dot Sessions – Town Market, Momentary Ease, Mazamorra, Squirrel Commotion Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social    

  --------  

  1:13:17
• A decade of decline: Examining falling test scores with Mike Petrilli (Ep 45)

  In this episode, host and math professor Anna Stokke interviews Mike Petrilli, President of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, about the role of standardized testing in K–12 education. They discuss the benefits and criticisms of standardized tests, the methodologies behind tests like NAEP, international comparisons with PISA and TIMSS, long-term trends in student performance, and the consequences of declines in student achievement.  Highlights include a discussion of Mississippi's educational success despite high poverty rates, and the potential influences of modern educational policies and smartphones. Mike Petrilli emphasizes the importance of accurate measurement for policymaking and shares advice on influencing educational policy.  This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, parents, and anyone interested in the future of education. FREE WEBINAR: The Science of Math Instruction: Using Evidence-Based Practices in the Classroom, May 8, 2025.  Registration link: https://home.edweb.net/webinar/mathskills20250508/ TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction   [00:03:18] Discussion on standardized testing  [00:06:14] Criticisms of standardized testing  [00:12:25] Frequency and levels of testing  [00:20:04] International perspectives on testing  [00:23:11] Understanding NAEP  [00:28:07] Recent trends in NAEP scores  [00:28:41] Impact of the pandemic   [00:31:16] Pre-pandemic declines   [00:32:26] Comparing international trends: PISA scores  [00:33:08] The role of smartphones  [00:35:26] TIMSS scores  [00:38:16] Long-term impact of declining academic achievement  [00:39:20] Efforts to address learning loss  [00:42:12] States that bucked the trend: the “Mississippi miracle” [00:46:44] Low-performing states  [00:49:54] Future strategies for education systems  [00:53:22] Influencing educational policy  [00:55:49] Conclusion and final thoughts  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 33.  Educational leadership:  Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17 Ep 32. Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-y6cxs-16ad6f1 Ep 25.  Understanding reform math ideology with Tom Loveless https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7ih4c-15dbf9a Ep 18.  Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-45-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-45-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Mazamorra, Tarte Tatin, Willow Willow, Betty Dear, Lissa Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

  --------  

  59:36

More Education podcasts

Trending Education podcasts

About Chalk & Talk