How Marketing Ruined Shift Left | Semgrep’s Tanya Janca
When it comes to securing software, most developers feel like they're playing catch-up instead of setting the rules.Tanya Janca (SheHacksPurple), author of "Alice and Bob Learn Secure Coding," brings her 28 years of IT and security expertise—spanning counter-terrorism to enterprise training—to Dev Interrupted. She unpacks the common pitfalls teams face when security is treated as an afterthought, highlighting the developer frustration of being held accountable for security without the tools or knowledge needed to succeed.Explore how transforming security from a final gate into an ongoing practice saves money, reduces conflict, and builds better software through clear requirements and true developer empowerment. Tanya provides concrete advice for developers and leaders on creating internal knowledge libraries, fostering continuous learning habits, and critically evaluating AI-generated code to ensure it meets security standards. Speaking of AI's growing role, we're curious how it's reshaping workflows across the industry. Share your own experiences with AI adoption by taking our quick survey to discover your spot on the adoption graph (and what you can do to level up).Check out:Beyond Copilot: Gaining the AI AdvantageSurvey: Discover Your AI Collaboration StyleFollow the hosts:Follow BenFollow AndrewFollow today's guest(s):Website: SheHacksPurpleLinkedIn: Tanya JancaBook: Alice and Bob Learn Secure CodingReferenced in today's show:Shopify CEO says staffers need to prove jobs can’t be done by AI before asking for more headcountAnthropic flips the script on AI in education: Claude’s Learning Mode makes students do the thinkingCelebrate 50 years of Microsoft with the company's original source codeSupport the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever
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How to Build AI Workflows You Can Trust | Infactory’s Brooke Hartley Moy
Is your company rushing headlong into AI, only to find it's a 'square peg in a round hole'?This week, Andrew tackles the critical issue of building trust in AI systems with Brooke Hartley Moy, CEO and co-founder of Infactory.Brooke, with her experience at companies like Google and Samsung, cuts through the hype and reveals the biggest misconceptions businesses have about AI. We dive into the 'black box' problem, the importance of high-quality data, and why not all AI is created equal.From seating Matthew McConaughey in the rain to high-stakes medical decisions, we explore the crucial role of domain expertise and the need to move beyond LLM-centric thinking. If you're an engineering leader grappling with AI implementation, this episode is your essential guide to building trustworthy and impactful AI systems.Check out:The Future of Productivity Is AI-DrivenFollow the hosts:Follow BenFollow AndrewFollow today's guest(s):infactory.aiBrooke Hartley MoyReferenced in today's show:OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair useExploring Generative AI - Birgitta BöckelerAI is "tearing apart" companies, survey findsSupport the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever
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Amazon Q and The Future of Autonomous Development | AWS' Adnan Ijaz
AI is evolving at a breakneck speed, leaving engineering leaders with a critical dilemma: innovate or fall behind. But how do you experiment with AI without risking your credibility? Andrew Zigler sits down with Adnan Ijaz, Director of Product Management for Next Gen Developer Experience at AWS, to unpack the power of AI agents. Together they discuss how to leverage autonomous AI in your development workflow, and learn from real-world examples like Amazon Q.Dive into the evolving role of the developer and discover how to mentor your AI, not just use it. It's time to shift from task-oriented coding to strategic architecture, and this episode shows you how.But first, co-host Dan Lines frames the conversation by discussing the shift towards measuring the concrete benefits of AI tools in development, rather than just their potential. Dan also provides examples of how to set realistic expectations for AI implementation by focusing on specific tasks and measuring both individual and workflow improvements, highlighting the need for overall workflow optimization.Check out:Translating DevEx to the Board Beyond the DORA FrameworksIntroducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStreamFollow the hosts:Follow BenFollow AndrewFollow today's guest(s):Adnan IjazAmazon Q DeveloperSupport the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever
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Ditch the Ticket Factory Mentality | Cosmic Teacups’ Thanos Diacakis
Imagine a world where your engineering team ships features at lightning speed, and they're genuinely happy doing it. Sounds like a fantasy? It doesn't have to be. This week, we're diving into the secrets of building high-performing, happy engineering teams with Thanos Diacakis, a fractional CTO and engineering coach with over 25 years of experience spanning companies like Uber, where he optimizes software engineering teams and drives technical innovation.Thanos reveals the common mental models that hold teams back, why 'technical debt' is a myth, and how to break free from the 'feature factory' mindset. Together, he and Andrew explore practical strategies for achieving engineering excellence, from mastering iterations to managing complexity, and discover how to build a culture where velocity and happiness go hand in hand. Check out:Translating DevEx to the Board Beyond the DORA FrameworksIntroducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStreamFollow the hosts:Follow BenFollow AndrewFollow today's guest(s):Thanos Diacakiswww.cosmicteacups.comReferenced in today's show:FOSS infrastructure is under attack by AI companiesProgramming is dying. Software development is booming.1 in 3 Americans say they have layoff anxietySupport the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever
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Will AI Finally Make TDD Practical? | Diffblue’s Animesh Mishra
The promise of Test Driven Development (or TDD) remains unfulfilled. Like many other forms of aspirational development, the practice has fallen victim to countless buzzword cycles. What if the answer is already in our toolbox?This week, host Andrew Zigler sits down with Animesh Mishra, Senior Solutions Engineer at Diffblue, to unpack the gap between TDD's theoretical appeal and its practical challenges. Animesh draws from his extensive experience to explain how deterministic AI can address the key challenges of building trust in AI for testing. These aren’t LLMs of today, but foundational machine learning models that can evaluate all possible branches of a piece of code to write test coverage for it. Imagine writing two years worth of tests for a legacy codebase… in two hours… with no errors!If you enjoyed this conversation about the gaps between theory and execution in engineering culture, be sure to check out last week's chat with David Mytton about shift left adoption by engineering teams.Check out:Translating DevEx to the Board Beyond the DORA FrameworksIntroducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStreamFollow the hosts:Follow BenFollow AndrewFollow today's guest(s):www.diffblue.comX: diffbluehqLinkedIn: DiffblueAnimesh MishraSupport the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever
The Dev Interrupted Podcast is the premier podcast for software engineering leaders. Hosts Dan Lines, Ben Lloyd Pearson, and Andrew Zigler invite expert guests from around the world to explore strategy and day-to-day topics ranging from dev team metrics to accelerating delivery. Join us weekly for new episodes.
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