The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Matt and Abby open up about what it feels like to raise boys in a moment where conversations around masculinity feel louder and more polarized than ever. They unpack the difference between healthy and unhealthy masculinity, how criticism aimed at grown men can be internalized by young boys, and the role social media plays in amplifying extremes.

They also share their biggest hopes as parents — raising sons with strength, humility, emotional awareness, and a sense of purpose in a rapidly changing world.
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George and Whitney Kamel join Matt & Abby for an honest conversation about money, marriage, and what financial freedom actually looks like behind the scenes. Known from The Ramsey Show and Smart Money Happy Hour, George shares how he and Whitney followed the Dave Ramsey Baby Steps to pay off all their debt, eliminate their $165,000 mortgage in just 26 months, and reach millionaire status by age 32.

They talk cutting up credit cards, renting vs. buying, why so many Americans feel stuck financially, and the real sacrifices required to become debt-free. We also answer listener questions about budgeting on one income, saving while paying off debt, and buying your first home, before putting George and Whitney to the test in a fun round of Agree to Disagree: Financial Edition.

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Chapters:
00:00 - George Kamel
02:17 - How we met
06:13 - Working for Dave Ramsey
07:42 - We got our wedding paid for
11:15 - Ramsey Solutions Baby Steps
22:08 - Getting out of debt
36:07 - Buying a house w/out a credit score
39:16 - Credit Cards
45:54 - Talking to our kids about finances
50:00 - How frugal are you really?
58:38 - Viewer questions
1:12:48 - Agree to Disagree
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As they approach the due date of the daughter they lost last September, Matt and Abby open up about how this season has truly felt, how they’re coping with grief in everyday life, and what healing looks like while life keeps moving forward.

If you or someone you know has experienced pregnancy loss and needs support, these are the resources we mentioned in the episode:
The Pregnancy & Infant Loss Support Centre: https://PILSC.org
Postpartum Support International: https://postpartum.net

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Chapters:
00:00 - Matt & Abby
02:16 - Life Update
18:09 - Wuthering Heights
29:12 - Our daughter's due date
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Matt’s parents are BACK and we made a questionable decision: play 'Never Have I Ever' together. We cover sexting, stalking an ex, reading each other’s private diaries, parenting fails, marriage boundaries, and the generational differences we did NOT see coming.

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This week, Brock and Boston Mikesell join Matt & Abby for an honest conversation about growing up viral, getting married young, and navigating life as twin brothers in the public eye. Brock shares what it was like marrying his high school sweetheart Kesley after a short engagement and how marriage shifts the twin dynamic.

We also play a hilariously Mormon coded game of Agree to Disagree.

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Chapters:

00:00 - Brock Boston & Kesley

05:30 - Mormon Missions

14:33 - What do people get wrong about Mormons?

18:34 - Mormon 101

25:35 - Kesley and Brock meet cute

28:22 - Growing up on Youtube

34:30 - Young marriage

39:09 - Our unplanned moment

51:57 - Surviving a plane crash changed our lives

1:00:50 - Buying a house at 17

1:03:02 - Boston's Mission

1:15:46 - Agree to Disagree
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