Another Way, by Lawrence Lessig

In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn continue the conversation, discussing the hot-button issues shaping the start of 2026.

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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

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The latest (and penultimate) episode of Season 7, continuing the conversation with Ben Hepburn.
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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions
Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

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Pulling it all together, Lessig asks his high school friend Ben Hepburn: How can you defend this? Listen to the conversation, and the common ground that gets built. 
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Music:
Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions
Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions
Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions
Post-production:
Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

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In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss what Lessig has elsewhere described as Trumps strategy of extortion — illegal threats to force compliance by every institution that might resist him. (Plus a quick trip to Vietnam, and the promise of a brand new Trump resort!)
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Music:
Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions
Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions
Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions
Post-production:
Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

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In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss the tariffs. Is there some point at which MAGA supporters call uncle?
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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions
Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

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