Catching Evil

What if you could see inside a serial killer's mind before he struck? Three men who've spent decades studying ruthless predators like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer pull back the curtain on Christopher Wilder—and what they reveal could save a life. Dr Eric Hickey, FBI consultant profiler and forensic psychologist, delivers the starkest warning you'll ever hear: "He pulls out a gun and points it at you. You don't get in the car. Never get in the car. You're better off being shot in the parking lot than being tortured and murdered in the car or in some other place. If you get in the car, you're dead."

This isn't theory. This is survival. Because Wilder didn't look dangerous—he looked successful. Wealthy businessman. Race car driver. The kind of charming man who seemed legitimate, exciting, trustworthy. That's exactly what made him lethal.

He selected his victims like a hunter stalking prey. Pretty young women. Models. Beauty queens with dreams he promised to make real. Former Miami Police Chief Dr Nelson Andreu explains how Wilder posed as a photographer, flashed his racing credentials, and projected sophistication that masked pure evil. "The first time he kills may not be perfectly choreographed. But inspired by the intense satisfaction the killing produces, he starts to plan in earnest. Those first murders left him with a thrill that he could never, ever let go. Each victim fueled his need for the next."

International best-selling crime writer Michael Robotham met Wilder face-to-face as a young journalist and never forgot his chilling confidence in court—the quiet certainty of a man who believed he was invincible. This episode doesn't just explain how monsters are made. It arms you with knowledge that could save you or someone you love.

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Hosts
Andy Byrne
Mark Llewellyn

Audio Production
Sam Blacker at The Podcast Butler - https://thepodcastbutler.com/

Artwork
Susan Armstrong

Media
Lisa at Llewellyn Communications https://llewcom.com.au/

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Resources
The Pretty Girl Killer by Andrew Byrne - courtesy of Penguin Random House

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She was four years old when Christopher Wilder stole her mother. For forty years, Mindy Walden told no one her story. Now, she's ready to speak.

Terry Walden was 23 — a nursing student, a young mom who loved baking and birthday parties. In March 1984, a stranger approached her on her university campus in Beaumont, Texas, and told her she could be a model. Terry called him a dirty pervert. The next morning, he was waiting beside her car. Terry never came home.

Her four-year-old daughter knew. Dropped at daycare that morning, Mindy screamed and sobbed as she watched her mother walk away. That night, as her father drove frantically through every parking lot in town, Mindy told him: I think she's dead. Two days later, she watched them pull her mother's body from a canal — on a road that bore their family name.

For forty years, Mindy has been haunted by a dream in which her mother appears but cannot speak — because Mindy can no longer remember her voice. But she has recently discovered a cassette tape, unheard for 35 years, on which Terry is talking. The moment it plays changes everything.

And then comes a revelation no one saw coming — when Mindy's partner steps forward with his own shattering confession, exposing an extraordinary bond forged from opposite sides of the same violence.
This is the episode that will stay with you long after it ends.

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Hosts
Andy Byrne
Mark Llewellyn

Audio Production
Sam Blacker - The Podcast Butler

Artwork
Susan Armstrong

Resources
The Pretty Girl Killer by Andrew Byrne - courtesy of Penguin Random House

Special thanks to Darcy at Pro Podcast Studios, Sydney

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She stared into the eyes of a serial killer, fought a life-or-death battle in a motel room, and won — then triggered the biggest manhunt in American history. Linda Grober was just 19 years old when Christopher Wilder abducted her from a shopping mall in broad daylight. He had already murdered four women across America in three weeks. Police had his name. Nobody had warned the public. Linda had never heard of him.

What happened next in a roadside motel room is almost impossible to comprehend. He superglued her eyes shut. He electrocuted her through wires attached to her fingers and toes. He tortured and assaulted her for hours while ordering her to act like his girlfriend. And if she didn't perform to his liking, he shocked her again — then laughed. But Linda Grober did something Wilder never expected. She kept thinking. "Keep it together, sister," she told herself. "Keep your cool. Do what he says. And think."

She played dead. He loosened his grip. She jabbed her fingers into his eyes and ran — five steps to a bathroom door with a lock no thicker than a fingernail. A serial killer was right behind her. She made it. She flicked the lock. His body slammed into the door a heartbeat later. That lock saved her life.

Linda Grober's escape didn't just save one woman. It brought in the FBI and triggered the biggest manhunt in American history. Her detailed account of Wilder — his methods, his obsessions, his rituals — gave investigators everything they needed to hunt him down. Other women are alive today because a 20-year-old university student in a motel bathroom refused to die. This is not a story about a serial killer. This is a story about the extraordinary young woman who beat one.

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Hosts
Andy Byrne
Mark Llewellyn

Audio Production
Sam Blacker at The Podcast Butler - https://thepodcastbutler.com/

Artwork
Susan Armstrong

Media
Lisa at Llewellyn Communications https://llewcom.com.au/

Special thanks to Darcy Milne at Pro Podcast Studios, Sydney - propodcast.com.au

Resources
The Pretty Girl Killer by Andrew Byrne - courtesy of Penguin Random House

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She was fifteen. Tiny — barely 160 centimetres tall. Wearing a pink bikini on an ordinary Thursday morning, walking alone near her home.
Christopher Wilder was six foot, well into a killing rampage across America, and should have been in police custody that morning. He wasn't. A private detective had handed police in Miami enough evidence. They called it "no evidence of foul play."
Two days later, Colleen Orsborne was gone.
For 27 years she lay in a morgue labelled Jane Doe — a number, a file, a girl nobody could name. Her mother never stopped searching. Never stopped hoping. She died before DNA finally confirmed what the family always knew.
She never got to bury her daughter.
Colleen's big sister Margaret has carried the guilt for 40 years. She was the big sister. She was supposed to protect her. That's what big sisters do.
"I'm sorry," she whispered at the memorial, 27 years too late. "I think we all felt we failed her."
She didn't fail Colleen. The system did.

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Hosts
Andy Byrne
Mark Llewellyn

Audio Production
Sam Blacker at The Podcast Butler - https://thepodcastbutler.com/

Artwork
Susan Armstrong

Media
Lisa at Llewellyn Communications https://llewcom.com.au/

Special thanks to Pro Podcast Studios, Sydney - propodcast.com.au

Resources
The Pretty Girl Killer by Andrew Byrne - courtesy of Penguin Random House

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If you knew Wilder or one of his victims, contact us in confidence: [email protected]

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Stunning beauty queen, High School cheerleading coach and special needs teacher Beth Kenyon turned down a marriage proposal from Christopher Wilder after only a handful of casual dates. A few months later, the 23-year-old beauty queen winner vanished after being seen with him at a gas station on the way to a photo shoot he organised for her. Her body has never been found, and her younger brother Tim still struggles with the tragedy that has haunted him his entire adult life.

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Credits:

Hosts
Andy Byrne
Mark Llewellyn

Audio Production
Sam Blacker - The Podcast Butler

Artwork
Susan Armstrong

Resources
Thanks to Grant Gravitt and Tel-Air Interests Inc
The Pretty Girl Killer by Andrew Byrne - courtesy of Penguin Random House

Special thanks to Darcy at Pro Podcast Studios, Sydney

Catching Evil is hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information
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If you knew Wilder or one of his victims, contact us in confidence: [email protected]

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Survivors of Homicide Inc - https://www.survivorsofhomicide.com/
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