The Book Deal

Madeleine chats with Pip Williams ahead of the release of her third novel, The German Ward. Pip set out with a mission to write a mature love story, but the novel expanded into something more, exploring themes of memory, art and humanity during wartime. In this episode, Pip tells us about how in the writing of her third novel she wanted to challenge herself as a writer. She discusses her approach to structure, craft, social media (and why she stays off it) and how she has developed a positive approach to writing. 
A little bit about Pip...
Pip Williams is the author of social research, essays, memoir, and the occasional poem, but she is best known for her companion novels, The Dictionary of Lost Words and The Bookbinder of Jericho. Since its publication in 2020, The Dictionary of Lost Words has won a number of major book awards, was chosen for the Reese Witherspoon Book Club and became a New York Times bestseller. As well as being adapted for stage, The Dictionary of Lost Words is being turned into a book concerto and has been optioned for a limited series. Pip’s second novel, The Bookbinder of Jericho, was published in 2023 and was an instant bestseller. In 2024, it won the Australian Book Industry Awards General Fiction Book of the Year and was Dymocks’ number-one book in its Top 101. Both novels were also recognised in ABC Radio National’s Top 100 Books of the 21st Century. Her upcoming novel, The German Ward, continues her exploration of love, art, and history, bringing to life a vivid World War I story of forbidden love and artistic discovery behind the lines in France. Pip’s books have been published around the world and translated into more than 30 languages.
This week's Debut in the Spotlight is Katie Bowman and her novel, Exchange of Heart.
00:56 Introduction
02:02 The author tour
05:31 The German Ward pitch
08:03 Writing a love story
09:48 Iso Rae
14:37 Women Artists in Wartime
20:40 Writing history
29:54 Memory and art
36:10 Success and pressure
41:26 Approach to writing
50:01 Social media
55:31 Writing routine
01:04:43 Top tip

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Recorded live at day one of the National Writers’ Conference at the Emerging Writers Festival 2026, this special Book Deal Podcast “agony aunt” session features bestselling author Toni Jordan answering anonymous questions from emerging and early-career writers. Jordan reframes rejection as a business decision, advises writers to focus on becoming “undeniable,” keep producing new work, and avoid perfectionism. She suggests denying real-life inspirations in fiction, warns that publishers can “love bomb” then provide limited support, and urges writers to ask clear marketing/publicity questions. Jordan explains the purpose of genre and comparison titles, offers strategies for managing self-promotion and public speaking, outlines etiquette and contractual realities for changing agents, and stresses that quitting a day job often takes years and luck. In a rapid “Chaos Round,” the panel discusses social media, agents, courses, AI, pitching, reviews, and career highlights, then takes audience questions on hurdles, writing for market, chapter length, and self-publishing vs traditional.

00:00 Podcast Intro
00:56 Conference Welcome
01:56 Meet Toni Jordan
03:52 Handling Rejection
09:45 Writing Real People
11:58 Publisher Support Reality
16:36 Genre and Comps
20:43 Self Promotion Without Cringe
23:44 Switching Literary Agents
29:23 Quitting the Day Job
34:56 Chaos Round Setup
36:00 Social Media For Writers
36:39 Agents And Negotiation
38:09 Feedback And Writing Courses
39:07 Why Not Use AI
40:19 Pitching At Events
42:00 Reviews And Awkward Questions
43:01 Career Highlights To Audience Q&A
44:26 Top Tips For Emerging Writers
46:17 Biggest Career Challenges
50:22 Writing For Market Vs Self
54:46 Chapter Length And Structure
58:36 Self Publishing Vs Traditional
01:01:33 Final Top Tip And Wrap
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Tina Strachan interviews New Zealand author Shara Curlett during the launch of her new middle-grade fantasy series Protector of Beyond. Curlett describes book one’s premise—12-year-old Aldetris sparks, is transported to another realm, bonds with a magical creature, and faces trials to train at the Academy of Protectors—plus the creation of the four Gards and Fiercers with illustrator Jennifer Beam, and comps like Nevermoor, Percy Jackson, and Wings of Fire. She recounts a busy release month including publisher and bookstore visits, school presentations featuring a Guard-sorting activity, and events in Australia with QBD and Kinokuniya. Curlett outlines her persistence-focused journey from Welcome to Miracle to signing with Zeitgeist’s Samuel Bernard after publisher interest, her productivity habits (writing in small gaps, formerly on her phone), and confirms Protector of Beyond (book two) is drafted for September 2027. Her top tip: separate emotion from publishing because it’s a business and rejection isn’t personal.

00:00 Podcast Intro
00:56 Meet Shara Curlett
02:37 Protector of Beyond Premise
04:32 Worldbuilding Sparks
06:27 Comp Titles Vibes
08:29 Launch Tour Whirlwind
13:29 School Visit Secrets
17:36 From Miracle to Protector
22:37 Courses Craft Growth
25:54 Writing Over Rejection
26:31 Finding Time As A Mum
27:31 Writing In The Gaps
29:51 Compartmentalize And Capture Ideas
32:21 No Perfect Time To Write
34:34 Protector Pitch Breakthrough
36:11 Landing An Agent Fast
38:16 Do You Need An Agent
40:32 Tips For Querying Agents
43:06 Protector Two Update
45:41 Top Tip Publishing Is Business
50:54 Final Thanks And Wrap
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This week, Madeleine chats with Irish author, Andrea Mara, about TV adaptations, getting permission to write, writing bestselling crime fiction, and her latest novel, Such a Nice Girl (Penguin Books Australia, 2026). 
Andrea Mara is a number one Sunday Times, Irish Times and Kindle bestselling author, whose books have sold more than one million copies across all formats. The TV adaptation of her 2021 book, All Her Fault, aired in November 2025 to huge critical and audience acclaim, with Sarah Snook (Succession) playing the lead. It became the most-streamed TV show in America during the first week of its release. Her most recent novel, It Should Have Been You, won Irish Crime Novel of the Year at the 2025 An Post Book Awards. It was a No.1 bestseller in Ireland for six weeks, and a Top Ten Sunday Times bestseller in the UK. Her book No One Saw a Thing was a Sunday Times number one bestseller and has sold over half a million copies. Andrea lives in Dublin with her husband and three children. 
You can find Andrea on Instagram @andreamaraauthor. 
02:09 From blogging to novel writing
03:40 Getting permission to write
09:30 Landing a three book deal
10:59 Agents
17:52 All Her Fault 
20:51 Filming in Melbourne & adaptations
31:01 Such A Nice Girl 
33:22 Plotting
38:20 Domestic Suspense 
41:44 Crime writing techniques
47:30 Wrap Up 
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Madeleine chats with debut Aussie novelist, Shannon Kelly-White. 
Shannon is a happy country girl who writes gritty, hopeful fiction about women who push back. Fascinated by freedom and spirit, she writes stories that blend fierce heart, a longing for connection, and a love of the landscapes that shaped her. A former nurse turned award- winning cookbook author turned novelist, she spends her days buried in books, accompanied by fluffy dogs and one opinionated orange cat. She lives in Yarrawonga with her most precious thing—her family.
Shannon's debut novel, Billie King (HarperCollins Australia, July 2026), has been described as Leah Purcell's The Drover's Wife meets Trent Dalton. Madeleine loved it! A gusty colonial girl meets Australia's last female bushranger who is on a quest for revenge. 

00:56 Introduction
01:33 Billie King
03:40 Inspiration 
05:57 Finding Billie’s Voice
06:54 Kids are the best
10:52 From Nurse to Novelist
15:52 Mentorship
17:58 HarperCollins acquisition and editorial
22:26 Vulnerabilities
28:28 The setting
31:08 Writing flawed characters
41:08 Shannon's next novel
41:59 Writing historical fiction for a modern audience
43:55 Writing Routine
45:30 Top Tip
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