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This Working Life
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  • This Working Life

    What do you do in a crisis?

    23/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    How do you react in a crisis? Are you fight, flight, fawn or flee? 
    We all react differently to moments of panic and stress but one thing we all have in common is that they cause us to make rash and poor decisions. 
    Are we stuck like this or can we re-train ourselves to respond to panic and act or lead with a clear head? 
    Guest:
    Dr James Donald, Senior Lecturer in Work and Organisational Studies at Sydney University and co-author of The Clear Leader
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    How to get hired in the AI age

    16/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    Artificial intelligence use in the job hunt is happening so fast it's hard to keep track and applicants and employers are feeling harassed by the speed of the change.  
    Candidates find themselves trapped in a paradox where they need to write applications that make it through the screening while also standing out when an application eventually reaches a human decision maker. 
    AI interviews are increasingly popular as well for hiring organisations which job hunters are reporting can make the process depressing and dehumanising. 
    Research on the impact of these tools in their first years also suggests that the use of AI tools for hiring runs the risk of discriminatory practices being baked into the process. There's also a concern that employers run the risk of ending up with a distinct lack of diversity of thought in their teams. 
    But employers and hiring managers love these tools and argue that they can improve the process for job candidates as well. 
    So, what do we do? 
    Lisa logs on with a legal researcher into the impact of AI hiring models and gets the goods from behind the digital curtain on how to beat the bot!  
    Guests: 
    Dr Natalie Sheard, Lawyer and McKenzie Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Melbourne studying discrimination by AI systems, particularly those used in employment.
    Rudy Crous, Organisational psychologist and CEO of AI Human Relations firm Compono 
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    We're too tired to work!

    09/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    Are you just too tired to work? 
    Australians feel exhausted. Eighty two per cent of Australian knowledge workers reported being on the verge of burnout last year, and businesses are scrambling to catch up with the cost of mental fatigue. 
    But sleepiness can be a killer too and a major shift is underway in how Australian industries treat tiredness in the workplace. 
    It's not a new phenomenon, people were talking about "brain fag" in Victorian England, but the way we think about fatigue and the way we treat it in the workplace is in flux. 
    So why are we so tired and what can we do about it? 
    Lisa puts matchsticks in her eyes and tries to solve the tiredness trap. 
    Guests: 
    Dr Drew Dawson, Professor, Director of Research Development at Central Queensland University and expert in Fatigue Management Strategy
    Dr Elizabeth Stephens, Associate Professor of Cultural Studies at the University of Queensland and co author of the new study - A Cultural History of Workplace Fatigue which will conclude in 2029
    Dr Kari Leibowitz, Health Psychologist, Speaker and author of How To Winter: Harness Your Mindset to Thrive on Cold, Dark, or Difficult Days 
    Further Listening & Reading!
    Dr Kari Leibowitz on This Working Life in 2023 speaking about the power of harnessing stress
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    Is Gina Rinehart right about cash bonuses?

    02/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    Australia’s richest person and long time supporter of Australian Swimming Gina Rinehart has been offering cash bonuses for Aussie swimmers at the Commonwealth games, $20,000 for a gold medal! It can be a nice to have after a huge challenge or a drawcard to make people work harder, but there can be a danger to motivating your team with extra dollars.
    So, Is Gina Rinehart right, do cash bonuses work?  What actually motivates us?  
    Lisa digs into the world of motivation and incentives to try and figure out what works for us and how you can motivate people without alienating them.  
    Stacey Parker's co-authored article on compensation and design for Motivation Science
    Mark Puncher's work sheet on connection with work 
    Guests: 
    Dr Stacey Parker - Associate Professor and endorsed Organisational Psychologist at the University of Queensland's School of Psychology
    Mark Puncher - CEO of Employer Branding Australia
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    The dangers of silence at work

    26/07/2026 | 25 mins.
    Speaking out at work is hard. It's even harder in a culture of silence. 
    To take the decision to break the quiet is an act of bravery, ands it's one many of us are unwilling to risk. 
    But the dangers of a culture of silence are many, and they impact employers and employees alike. 
    While it can be a scary thing to do, research has found that people staying silent to protect their own heath and wellbeing almost always have worse results for their mental health in the long term in a silent workplace. 
    Lisa speaks, loudly, with an expert on why people stay quiet. 
    Guest: 
    Dr Nate Zettna: Lecturer in leadership at the Business School of The University of Sydney
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About This Working Life
You spend so much time on work, why accept the status quo, when there are ways to do it better? Get expert advice, research and hacks that will crush your inertia. Join Lisa Leong and other This Working Lifers as we experiment and explore the latest in the world of work.   We cover policy issues, like hybrid workplaces and remote work, employee wellbeing and organisational culture, the use of AI, employee surveillance, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion. We talk about progress on wider issues that relate to work, like work life balance, organisational change, restructures, and casualisation. On This Working Life our focus is on everything related to the people in a workplace too, including culture, individual experiences, performance management and career advice.
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