‘I was always the digger that had slightly out of regs hair, my sunnies fit so nicely on my head so why wouldn’t I put them there and I obviously love non-issued gear ...’ In this week’s episode, the creator of the popular Instagram page Tuesday Night Violence Co. joins us again to talk about his approach to junior leadership. CPL Mitchell Clark is currently posted as the Training Sergeant at 2nd/17th Battalion, Royal New South Wales Regiment (2/17 RNSWR). He has bounced in-and-out of full-time and part-time service and today he talks us through how he approaches leadership in an organisation full of volunteers that can choose to show up or not show up.
CPL Clark came to Army with a teaching background and finds real
fulfilment in teaching and mentoring diggers as a Junior Non-Commissioned Officer. He has done jungle training in Malaysia as part of Rifle Company Butterworth, has deployed to Iraq with 6 RAR, was a Team Leader on Operation Resolute as part of the Transit Security Element and his career is not dissimilar from those he serves alongside. Like many, he went through his digger for life phase but realised how much he could give back by promoting and mentoring other soldiers.
CPL Clark takes us through his five reflections on how to be a good junior leader which are: (1) your character flaws are your problem and your responsibility; (2) you set the standard for your team; (3) look the part; (4) use common sense; and (5) be the mentor. He also shares a personality triad that he most relates to which combines professional competence, professional attitude and likeability. To be a good leader, you must have at least two of these traits. To be a good leader long-term, CPL Clark argues that one of those two traits must be professional competence. Honesty, self-reflection and embracing vulnerability are the cornerstones of junior leadership and in this episode, we talk through what it is like to make the leap.
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Adapting to the Threat – LTCOL James Ellis-Smith
‘The reason [the adaptation] is so quick is because they’re being pressed by a very capable adversary.’ In this week’s episode, we shift focus to how Ukraine and Russia are adapting to the threat as each fight in war. Our guest this week – LTCOL James Ellis-Smith – has just raised the Training Intelligence (G72) cell at Forces Command Headquarters, feeding real-world analysis into our training to bring our adversary analysis into the specific and contemporary. He is also a PhD candidate at the Australian National University, studying intelligence and command at the tactical level of war.
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, the conflict has been defined by rapid adaptation and brutal attrition. Long-range precision fires, the widespread use of unmanned aerial systems, contested logistics, and a return to trench warfare have epitomised the conflict. We can learn a considerable amount from the pace of adaptation in this fight, with both sides attempting to keep pace with rapid advancements in technology and training, techniques and procedures (TTPs). The addition of low-cost guidance kits to ‘dumb’ munitions has enabled both sides to deliver precision effects using existing war stocks, fundamentally changing the economics of precision munitions. Wireless drones that were susceptible to jamming have been replaced and complimented with drones flown using fibre optic cables.
Among the many sobering realities of this conflict are reports of frontline medics stabilising wounded soldiers under fire, only for those casualties to be killed during evacuation—struck by precision weapons kilometres from the point of injury. In this episode, LTCOL Ellis Smith helps us unpack what these developments mean for Army’s thinking on training, adaptation, and preparing for the demands of contemporary and future conflict. He also seeks to distinguish those lessons that we ought to take into our Primary Operating Environment versus those that are unique to a land conflict between two nations that share a large land border.
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Tensions in Kashmir - Dr Ashok Sharma PhD
‘Strategically, Kashmir offers high altitude military advantage and critical water sources. Emotionally, it invokes pride, pain and nationalism on both sides.’ In this week’s episode, we talk about the most recent tensions in Kashmir, a contested region between India and Pakistan. Our guest this week – Dr Ashok Sharma PhD – is a Visiting Fellow at the University of New South Wales – Canberra at the Australian Defence Force Academy. His research is in International Politics and he is an expert on South Asian geopolitics.
On 22 April 2025, a terrorist attack in Indian-Administered Kashmir which killed 26 civilians who were mostly Hindu tourists led to escalations between India and terrorist organisations in Pakistan and Pakistan-Administered Kashmir. India responded to the terrorist attack by launching nine missile strikes onto targets in both Pakistan and Pakistan-Administered Kashmir, followed by a series of skirmishes and drone strikes between the two countries. Pakistan then claimed to have shot-down five Indian fighter jets. Four days of tense escalation from the two nuclear nations were halted when a ceasefire was brokered on 10 May 2025.
Kashmir was partitioned in 1947 between India and Pakistan with a Line of Control dividing both countries ever since. Conflict has continued between the two nuclear-armed neighbours, with the first Indo-Pakistani war in 1965 and the Kargil War in 1999, and countless skirmishes in between. Beyond the geopolitical rivalry, the region has experienced waves of insurgency, crackdowns, and political unrest, particularly following the rise of separatist movements in the late 1980s. The revocation of Article 370 by the Indian government in 2019, which removed the region’s special autonomous status, further intensified tensions. This episode tells the story of Kashmir and how complex this long-standing feud between nuclear powers really is.
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Reserve Integration - CPL Mitchell Clark
‘Mobilising the Reserve provides the Regular Army with a relatively quick solution for plugging manpower gaps and also the means to prime the pump.’ In this week’s episode, the creator of the popular Instagram page Tuesday Night Violence Co. joins us again to talk about his reserve battalion. CPL Mitchell Clark is currently posted as the Training Sergeant at 2nd/17th Battalion, Royal New South Wales Regiment (2/17 RNSWR). He has bounced in-and-out of full-time and part-time service and today he talks us through what a typical reserve infantry battalion looks like, and the value that those who volunteer to be a part of our organisation bring.
CPL Clark came to Army with a teaching background and finds real fulfilment in teaching and mentoring diggers as a Junior Non-Commissioned Officer. He has done jungle training in Malaysia as part of Rifle Company Butterworth, has deployed to Iraq with 6 RAR, was a Team Leader on Operation Resolute as part of the Transit Security Element and his career is not dissimilar from those he serves alongside. From diesel mechanics to medical professionals to architects, CPL Clark’s section looks a little bit different to a regular infantry one.
High levels of motivation, bang-for-buck training and a vast breadth of experience epitomise our Reserve workforce. If you get to work with a reserve unit, ask plenty of questions to not only get to know your attachments but also what they can offer in terms of getting after problems that your current callsign might try to solve in more conventional means. 'Choccos’ bring a wealth of knowledge from their full-time professions and trades to an Army that is trying to solve more-and-more complex problems.
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Ready, or Not: Leading Troops in a Violent Peace – COL John Papalitsas
‘So, a fistfight ensues a couple of meters inside East Timor and the situation deteriorates very quickly.’ In this week’s episode, we talk through what it is like to deploy with no notice and little preparation onto an island that is on-fire and in turmoil. Our guest – COL John Papalitsas – was a brand-new infantry Platoon Commander at the 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment when he got word that he would deploy his platoon to East-Timor as part of International Force East Timor (INTERFET). Listen in as he describes what it was like as the boat arrived and throughout his six-month deployment, telling the stories of the men and women that were deployed.
COL Papalitsas saw the Ready Parachute Company Group come in to do PT in the morning, conduct what they thought was an equipment check and by the afternoon deploy to RAAF Base Tindal to stage for an infill into Timor. With five-days' notice, his platoon followed up and flew to Darwin NT before deploying to Timor via ship on HMAS Jervis Bay. He talks of witnessing the aftermath of a massacre at the Hotel Tropical, his platoon deploying from Maliana by Blackhawk helicopter to clear some militia, giving his soldiers the order to fix bayonets in the form-up point, a tense checkpoint exchange between a section of his platoon and the Indonesian National Armed Forces and retrieving the local mayor’s daughter before she was dragged across the border by the militia.
Finally, COL Papalitsas uses a quote to epitomise his approach to leadership: ‘A leader is one who knows the way, goes the way, and shows the way’ - John C. Maxwell. Like many of the other guests we have had on The Cove Podcast have argued, it is on you to become as competent as you can and to own your job. You must show those around you that you mean the things that you say and that you are willing to do everything that you ask of your subordinates. You must also show them what right looks like, setting an incredible example for those that are always watching. This is leadership where it matters, where there may be no right-or-wrong, so get yourself as prepared as you can because like this young platoon commander at 3 RAR, you may have no idea when you’ll deploy.
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