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The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate

Podcast The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate
Veronica Morgan & Chris Bates
Who's really in control when you buy a property? The Elephant In The Room is where the things that no one wants to talk about, actually get talked about. ...

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  • How Will Climate Risk Impact Your Property’s Future Value?
    Climate risk is no longer a distant concern—it’s already shaping how banks, insurers, and homeowners approach property. In this episode, we sit down with Philip Tapsell from XDI Systems, part of the Climate Risk Group, to explore how climate-related risks are being measured and factored into financial decisions. How close are banks to pricing in climate risk with mortgages? What happens when certain areas become uninsurable? And what can property owners do to safeguard their investments? Philip breaks down the growing impact of extreme weather on property values and highlights the information gap between financial institutions and everyday buyers. We discuss the challenges of outdated flood maps, the shifting approach to risk assessment, and whether institutions are doing enough to prepare for future disasters. We also touch on how other countries are responding—some taking proactive steps, others simply waiting for someone else to move first. If you’re a property owner or buyer, this conversation is a must-listen to understand what climate risk means for your biggest asset. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:00 - Who is Philip Tapsall? 02:10 - What made Philip leave the banks? 04:15 - Philip's major concerns when it comes to climate risk and property 06:55 - Why flood maps have been redone, and its impact on property buyers 11:33 - Are banks and insurers avoiding the reality of climate risk? 15:17 - Proactive or reactive: Are we handling climate risk the wrong way? 18:45 - Is climate risk hitting lower-income communities the hardest? 21:04 - What needs to change in the next decade to protect property from climate risk? 24:05 - Should we focus on protecting existing homes instead of restricting new builds? 26:43 - How property value, population, and location impact climate risk 30:48 - Are affluent nations taking action on climate risk, or still in denial? 40:06 - What climate risk ratings really mean for homeowners 47:47 - Climate risks beyond fire and flood homeowners should watch for 54:15 - Philip Tapsall’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Philip Tapsall is the Head of Corporate and Finance Sector Engagement at XDI Systems. He leads XDI’s engagement with regulators, corporates, and financial institutions, helping them assess climate risk. XDI, part of the Climate Risk Group, quantifies the cost of extreme weather on physical assets. He also serves as General Manager of Climate Valuation, which helps individuals and communities understand climate-related property risks. With over 20 years in finance, policy, and engineering, Philip has worked with ANZ, Westpac, HSBC, and WWF-India. He holds degrees in Commerce, Political Science (Hons), and Civil Engineering and is a graduate of the Australian Institute of Company Directors. Connect with Philip Tapsall: LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/philiptapsall Website https://xdi.systems/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Could Australia Face a Bushfire Disaster Like Los Angeles? Greg Mullins Weighs In
    Thousands of homes wiped out, entire neighborhoods gone—wildfires in Los Angeles have reached a terrifying new level. But could something like that happen here in Australia? Former New South Wales Fire and Rescue Commissioner Greg Mullins joins us to break it all down—how bushfires are getting worse, why they’re becoming harder to fight, and what that means for people living near bushland. Greg shares his firsthand experience working with fire agencies around the world and explains how bushfires are now turning into full-blown urban firestorms. We get into why hazard reduction burns are getting trickier, what building codes can (and can’t) do to protect homes, and the brutal reality that some fires just can’t be fought. It’s a conversation that every homeowner—especially those in fire-prone areas—needs to hear. So what can we actually do about it? Greg’s got some straight-up advice, plus a few surprising facts that might change the way you think about bushfire risk. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 00:52 - Who is Greg Mullins? 02:17 - Did experts ever imagine wildfires could destroy a city like this? 04:06 - What is the meaning of urban conflagration? 06:32 - Could the Australian government have acted to avert the 2020 bushfires? 08:14 - Are authorities taking climate and fire warnings more seriously today? 09:13 - Could Australia face an urban fire like LA's, and what can we do to prevent it? 12:59 - Best way to unite fire services, councils, and property owners on fire prevention 18:43 - How is climate change making bushfires more extreme and unpredictable? 24:56 - How emergency services are gearing up for increasingly demanding fire events 28:22 - How is the insurance industry responding to rising bushfire threats? 32:40 - Can Australia’s construction sector keep up with rebuilding after bushfires? 34:39 - Is urban sprawl increasing fire and heat risks in Western Sydney? 38:44 - Best ways to fireproof homes in high-risk bushfire areas 43:48 - Should Australia strengthen its building codes for bushfire-prone areas? 46:13 - The dangers and long-term health effects of bushfire smoke 49:46 - Greg Mullins’ property dumbo About Our Guest: Greg Mullins AO, AFSM, is a veteran firefighter, climate advocate, and leader in emergency management. Serving nearly 14 years as Commissioner of Fire & Rescue NSW, he was the first to rise from the ranks to lead the agency, becoming its longest-serving chief in over a century. His expertise spans international bushfire management, emergency response coordination, and strategic leadership, including roles as President of the peak fire and emergency services council for Australia and New Zealand. After retiring in 2017, he rejoined the Rural Fire Service and was on the frontlines during the 2019–2020 Black Summer. Concerned about worsening climate-driven disasters, he founded Emergency Leaders for Climate Action, rallying former fire chiefs to push for urgent policy change. He continues to serve as a Climate Councillor and holds advisory roles shaping bushfire and emergency response strategies. His book, Firestorm, offers a firefighter’s perspective on the growing impact of climate change on natural disasters. Connect with Greg Mullins: LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/greg-mullins-ao-afsm-72095043 Website https://emergencyleadersforclimateaction.org.au/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Is Long-Term Thinking Actually Sabotaging Your Property Goals?
    Most people assume long-term thinking is the key to success in property—but what if it’s actually holding you back? In this episode, we break down whether having a long-term property strategy is always the smartest move—or if it could actually be working against you. We take you through how we each approach property strategy, why some plans are set up to fail from the start, and how to tell if the advice you’re getting is truly in your best interest or just a well-packaged sales pitch. Chris shares how his strategy sessions with clients unfold, the key questions that reveal what really matters, and why understanding your next move—not just the one in front of you—is so critical. Veronica talks through the biggest mistakes she sees people make, why so many investors end up stuck with properties that don’t serve them, and how to avoid locking yourself into a plan that doesn’t adapt to real life. We also get into the risks of relying too much on spreadsheets and formulas, why property strategy isn’t just about numbers, and how the best decisions come from asking the right questions. If you’re thinking about your next property move, this episode will give you a fresh perspective on how to approach it. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:14 - How Chris initiates and conducts property strategy discussions with clients 04:05 - Do property strategy sessions ever change a buyer’s mind? 08:59 - Does Chris charge for his strategy sessions? 12:18 - Does Chris encounter recurring or common property strategy scenarios? 16:37 - The different types of clients who seek strategy sessions and the key issues they face 22:04 - Are property strategy plans too focused on numbers instead of real-life goals? 27:04 - Explaining the power of compounding in real estate through the lily pad analogy 31:51 - What happens when couples have conflicting property goals? 37:09 - How to realistically assess the right timing for property decisions 39:44 - Taking a holistic approach to property strategy sessions 49:13 - The role of data and/or local knowledge in helping investors pick good properties Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.com.au/ Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • The Critical Role of Tax Planning in Property Wealth Building
    Tax planning in property isn’t just a technical detail—it’s a game changer. In this episode, we explore why getting the right advice early can be the difference between wealth creation and costly mistakes. From uncovering myths about negative gearing to breaking down the hidden ways investors lose money, our conversation with Catherine Simons talks about what really matters when it comes to structuring your investments wisely. We discuss common traps, like rushing into property trusts or ignoring the impact of selling in unfavourable tax years. Catherine shares practical advice on pre-purchase consultations, highlighting why your accountant’s input is crucial long before signing on the dotted line. And for those navigating property inside super funds, she doesn’t hold back on the risks and benefits, making sure you know what to avoid. This episode is packed with actionable insights on structuring, tax strategies, and long-term planning. So don't miss it! Let's get started. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 00:55 - Who is Catherine Simons? 02:07 - What came first—Catherine's profession or her love of property? 03:34 - Key lessons or myths Catherine has debunked when working with property investors 05:23 - Common ways people can lose money on property investments 07:04 - What are the most common tax rules or misconceptions committed by most people? 10:47 - Deciding the best ownership structure for a property investor (from an accountant) 12:06 - At what point should a property investor engage an accountant? 15:32 - What are some common tax-related mistakes property investors make 22:32 - Common misconceptions people have about negative gearing and positive cash flow 25:26 - What makes a great property asset based on Catherine's client experience 27:52 - Insights Catherine gained from clients engaged in flipping or property development 31:20 - Foundational tax principles evolving, and key trends for 2025 and beyond 34:47 - What’s the impact of tax and super changes on company vs. trust structures? 36;35 - What makes liquidity a common issue when buying property within an SMSF? 44:54 - Where owner-occupiers go wrong with tax when renting out their home short term 48:39 - Catherine Simons’ property dumbo About Our Guest: Catherine Simons is the Managing Director of WSC Group, bringing over 19 years of expertise in public practice accounting. Specialising in rental property investment and advising small to medium-sized businesses, Catherine is dedicated to helping clients build wealth and achieve financial growth through strategic business advisory and taxation services. She also oversees continuous improvement initiatives within WSC Group, ensuring operational excellence. A sought-after speaker and expert, Catherine shares insights on key financial topics and enjoys balancing her professional life with family time and personal interests in podcasts focused on finance, pop culture, and health. Connect with Catherine Simons: WSC Group https://wscgroup.com.au/ LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/catherine-simons-59766b89 Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.flintgroup.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • What Does the Future Hold for Real Estate in a Climate-Conscious World?
    Ever wondered if energy-efficient homes are the next big thing in real estate? Or is the industry still lagging on this? In this episode, we're diving into how sustainability is shaking up the property game, and we've got Jacob Caine, president of the Real Estate Institute of Victoria, to give us the inside scoop. Jacob was at the 2024 UN Climate Change Conference, representing Australian real estate, so he knows what's up. We're talking about how climate change – from crazy weather events to skyrocketing energy bills – is changing what buyers want and how much homes are worth. Will houses with bad energy ratings become impossible to sell or get a loan for? We're also looking at how banks are getting involved, new rating systems, and how energy-efficient features are becoming more than just a nice-to-have – they're protecting your investment. But there's also the practical stuff: what can homeowners and investors do right now to stay ahead of the curve? Jacob's got tips on everything from solar panels to minimum rental standards, and how these changes will affect everyday decisions about property. So, if you're curious about how property, climate, and money all fit together, this episode is packed with info you won't want to miss. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:11 - Who is Jacob Caine? 02:04 - What motivated Jacob's attendance at COP 29, and what were his key goals? 03:33 - How important is Australia’s contribution to the global sustainability movement? 08:21 - How reliable is CoreLogic’s analysis without a rating system for existing homes? 14:18 - How soon will energy ratings become a key factor in property markets? 21:05 - Will banks require property upgrades to approve financing? 25:11 - What does resilience mean in the context of property? 27:41 - Do home builders have a valid point about energy efficiency standards raising costs? 36:53 - How quickly can we transition to renewable energy according to the model? 41:58 - Energy ratings or home renovations: which one is responsible for price increases? 48:46 - Do you agree that property managers are getting overwhelmed by new requirements? 52:54 - Should energy efficiency efforts prioritise apartments over individual houses? 59:03 - Jacob Caine’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Jacob Caine is the CEO of Ray White CRE and is serving his second term as President of the Real Estate Institute of Victoria, with directorship roles at the Real Estate Institute of Australia and View.com.au. A licensed estate agent with extensive leadership experience, he has an impressive academic background, holding a Bachelor’s degree from Melbourne University, an MBA from Monash, and a Master’s in International Relations from Harvard, where he graduated on the Dean’s List. Currently pursuing a PhD at the National Security College (ANU), Jacob’s research focuses on the evolution of cyberattacks. His professional credentials include certificates in leadership, negotiation, and international security from Harvard, among others. Connect with Jacob Caine: Ray White CRE https://raywhitecre.com.au/ Website https://view.com.au/ LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/jacob-caine-30195647 Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.flintgroup.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Who's really in control when you buy a property? The Elephant In The Room is where the things that no one wants to talk about, actually get talked about. Veronica Morgan, real estate agent, buyers agent and co-host of Foxtel’s Location Location Location Australia & Chris Bates, financial planner, mortgage broker and wealth coach have joined forces to find out what’s really going on in the world of real estate. Veronica and Chris talk to property owners and buyers every day in their respective lines of business. They’ve observed a wide spectrum of confidence in people’s decision making ability when buying and selling property, often to the detriment of the individuals concerned. They are both fascinated by consumer behaviour and together they’re going to uncover who’s really making the decisions when you buy a property. In each episode they get into the psyche of buyers, agents, auctioneers and other industry experts to learn the truth about how buyers are influenced and why they do the things they do. In every episode you’ll learn from the mistakes of a “property dumbo” as well as Chris & Veronica’s “elephant rider bootcamp” training session. The plan? This property podcast has been created to help us all make better property decisions!
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