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The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate

Veronica Morgan & Chris Bates
The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate
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  • What Data-Driven Investors Get Wrong (And Right)
    With property data becoming increasingly available, investors face a growing challenge: accurately interpreting the numbers. In this episode, Veronica and Chris speak with Matija Djolic, co-founder of HtAG Analytics, to discuss how investors can effectively use property data and avoid common mistakes. Matija outlines four essential questions investors need to address before making decisions, emphasizing the importance of clearly understanding risk profiles, investment timeframes, and personal objectives. He highlights frequent pitfalls, including chasing short-term gains, misunderstanding suburb-level data, and misinterpreting market "hotspots." This conversation equips investors with practical insights on responsible data use, clarifying when data can help… and when it might mislead. Whether you're an experienced investor or a first-time buyer, you'll gain valuable strategies for making smarter property decisions in today's data-rich environment. Episode Highlights 00:00 – Welcome 01:42 – The Origin of HtAG Analytics 03:35 – Key Questions for Property Investment 04:56 – Understanding Risk in Property Investment 12:35 – The Role of Data in Property Markets 15:30 – Challenges of Data Interpretation 17:57 – The Impact of Data Accessibility 24:37 – Strategies for Property Investment 34:11 – Navigating Tricky Real Estate Decisions 34:28 – Connecting with Veronica Morgan's Resources 35:12 – Understanding Property Scarcity and Sales Volume 36:01 – The Role of Data Accuracy in Real Estate 38:04 – Tech and Human Expertise in Real Estate 40:21 – Challenges with Real Estate Transparency 41:55 – The Importance of Personal Touch in Real Estate 43:10 – Buy and Hold vs Transacting Property 44:53 – Key Metrics for Long-Term Property Investment 46:11 – Affordability and Shifting Demographics 51:42 – Compounding Good Decision Making 55:32 – Common Myths in Real Estate 58:04 – Property Dumbo: A Cautionary Tale About the Guest Matija Djolic is the co-founder of HtAG Analytics and a leading data analytics coach specializing in the property investment sector. With a PhD in Organizational Psychology, Matija brings over seven years of experience guiding thousands of investors and buyer's agents through the complex maze of market analytics. Known for his expertise in both qualitative and quantitative pattern recognition, Matija empowers investors to make smarter, data-driven decisions that align with their long-term goals and risk profiles. His practical, no-nonsense approach challenges traditional investment assumptions, encouraging a more nuanced and informed understanding of property analytics. Connect with Matija Website: https://www.htag.com.au/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-matija-djolic-386475152/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/matijadjolic/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matija.djolic.14/ Resources Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • The Truth About Property Negotiation: Why Most Buyers Get It Wrong
    Today, we sit down with Scott Aggett, founder of Hello Haus, a negotiation service shaking up Australia’s property buying landscape. Scott pulls back the curtain on the high-stakes game of real estate negotiation and reveals why most buyers are unknowingly walking into traps laid by experienced selling agents. If you’ve ever felt outmatched or overwhelmed in the home-buying process, this conversation will open your eyes to what’s going on behind the scenes. Listeners will gain deep insights into the psychological tactics agents use to push buyers into emotional decisions, often costing them tens of thousands more than necessary. Scott explains why traditional buyer’s agents may not be equipped to negotiate effectively, and how negotiation as a service provides a smarter, leaner alternative for buyers who want to retain control without losing leverage. He shares examples of real-world mistakes and outlines how simple behavioural cues—like revisiting a property too many times or discussing price too early—can weaken your position. Whether you're a first-home buyer or a seasoned investor, this episode is packed with actionable tips to help you think more strategically and negotiate with confidence. We also explore how market dynamics are changing, what smart buyers are doing differently in 2025, and why negotiation is no longer a luxury—it’s a necessity. If you're serious about buying better, this is one you don't want to miss. Episode Highlights 00:00 – Welcome 03:10 – Why Most Buyers Are Outmatched by Selling Agents 05:47 – The Buyer’s Agent Problem: Sourcing ≠ Negotiating 18:10 – Emotional Buying: How It Undermines Your Leverage 25:32 – What to Say (and Not Say) When Dealing with Agents 37:42 – Auction Theatre: How FOMO is Engineered 42:10 – Negotiation as a Service: A Smarter Model for Modern Buyers 50:50 – The Future of Property Negotiation in Australia About the Guest Scott Aggett is one of Australia’s leading property negotiation experts, with over 30 years of experience and more than 4,000 successful real estate deals across Australia, the UK, and Asia. Beginning his career as a sales agent before launching multiple Belle Property franchises in Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs, Scott is renowned for his innovative "Negotiation as a Service" approach, which he pioneered through his company, Hello Haus. His negotiation-focused model has empowered countless Australian buyers to secure top-performing investments and dream homes with less stress and below-market prices. After Hello Haus was acquired by major industry players in 2024, Scott continues to advocate for transparent, client-focused property negotiations, regularly sharing market insights across major media and industry platforms. Connect with Scott Website: https://www.scottaggett.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottaggett Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/scottaggett Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/scott.aggett/ Resources Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Own Your Home, Max Your Super: A Real Talk Guide to Financial Freedom
    If you’re navigating retirement planning in Australia, this episode is a must-listen. Financial adviser James Wrigley joins The Elephant in the Room to unpack the strategies that high-income earners, Gen X professionals, and aspiring retirees can use to build a more secure financial future, without falling into the usual traps. From maximising tax returns through superannuation to understanding why property may not be the most reliable retirement asset, James breaks down complex concepts into actionable steps. You’ll learn how super could grow from $300K to $2M, when and how to use catch-up contributions, and why liquidity and access might be more important than you think. This episode challenges the idea that you need to be “a property person” or “a shares person” and instead offers a mindset shift: invest based on outcomes, not identity. Whether you’re in your 40s and just starting to take your future seriously, or you’re closing in on retirement, this conversation will change the way you think about your money. Episode Highlights 00:00 – Welcome 04:00 – Why Your Super Isn't a Set-and-Forget Strategy 08:30 – Property vs Super: Which Is the Better Long-Term Play? 20:50 – How High-Income Earners Can Get Up to 50% Back Through Super 33:40 – Ditch the “Property Person” Mentality 41:15 – Catch-Up Contributions Explained 47:25 – $300K to $2M: The Power of Early Planning 52:00 – The Emotional Side of Financial Planning About the Guest James Wrigley is a Principal and Certified Financial Planner at First Financial, a leading Melbourne-based firm specializing in financial planning and superannuation management. With nearly two decades of industry experience, James has progressed from administrative roles to the highest levels of advisory leadership, serving clients ranging from young professionals building their wealth to retirees planning for aged care. Known for his dynamic approach and strong online presence, he is committed to understanding each client's motivations and delivering tailored strategies for lasting financial well-being. James is particularly recognized for fostering client relationships built on trust and clear communication, and he frequently shares his expertise through podcasts, social media channels, and public presentations to empower Australians with practical financial insights Connect with James Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6gLgLcVe_m8-Q9UWKvMObQ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamjameswrigley/?hl=en LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-wrigley Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1IQReBXcUdYnBeaXuFpHc1 Resources Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Uninsurable? The Hidden Risks in Strata and Property Insurance
    When it comes to property ownership in Australia, few topics are as misunderstood—and as crucial—as insurance. In this episode, Veronica sits down with Kimberley Jonsson, CEO of CHU Insurance, to unpack the growing risks in strata and property insurance and why many owners might be underprepared. From the rising cost of premiums to the unseen dangers lurking in older buildings, Kimberley brings expert insight into the systemic issues shaping Australia’s housing market—and what that means for you. We dive into how the Insurance Affordability Index reveals a stark difference between houses and strata properties, why mandatory strata insurance may be more affordable than you think, and the real consequences of underinsurance. Kimberley also shares powerful case studies—including a Bondi building on the brink of collapse—that challenge conventional thinking about risk, responsibility, and return on investment in the property space. Whether you're an investor, owner-occupier, strata manager, or buyer's agent, this episode will shift how you think about property protection and help you make smarter, faster decisions. Because when it comes to insurance, delaying action costs more than just money. Enjoyed this episode? Be sure to subscribe, share with your property network, and leave us a review on your podcast app. Got a question or topic suggestion? Reach out—we’d love to hear from you! Episode Highlights: Welcome [00:00] The Underinsurance Crisis [03:48] Strata Insurance Is More Affordable Than You Think [11:30] The Challenges with Insurance Valuations [18:45] What It Takes to Be ‘Uninsurable’ [29:40] Don’t Delay Repairs: The $1M Roof Story [37:54] The Bondi Building That Nearly Collapsed [51:07] Final Advice for Buyers and Investors [59:40] About our Guest: Kimberley Jonsson is the CEO of CHU Underwriting Agencies, Australia’s largest and longest-standing strata insurance underwriting agency. With over two decades of experience in strata and insurance, she is a leading advocate for transforming the perception of strata living from a fallback option to the "new Australian dream" by fostering vibrant, informed, and resilient strata communities. Under her leadership, CHU focuses on innovation, education, and sustainability to enhance risk management and build resilience for more than 4.2 million Australians living in strata. Recognized globally for her influence and innovation in insurance, Kimberley also serves as a Director of ANZIIF and has been featured on the Insurance Business Global 100 List Connect with Kimberly: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberley-jonsson-92300342/ Resources: Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Beyond the Boom: Long-Term Strategy vs. Short-Term Gains in Perth
    What happens when a city goes from being “uninvestable” to a national hotspot almost overnight? In this episode, Perth-based buyer’s agent Matthew Hughes joins Veronica to unpack what’s driving the WA property surge—and what investors are getting wrong. With boots-on-the-ground insight, he shares why affordability alone is a flawed strategy, how investor FOMO is distorting the market, and why timing and fundamentals still matter. While many are chasing quick wins, Matthew and Veronica challenge the hype. They dig into the risks of borderless buying, the pitfalls of relying solely on data, and why buying cheap doesn’t always mean buying smart. For investors chasing long-term outperformance, this conversation is packed with insights on due diligence, owner-occupier demand, and how to avoid the traps of short-term sugar hits. Whether you’re investing in Perth or watching from the East Coast, this episode is a must-listen for anyone serious about sustainable growth. Hit play now and learn how to think long-term in a market driven by short-term noise. Episode Highlights: Welcome [00:00] Perth Property Market Overview [00:59] Current State of the Perth Market [01:28] Impact of Investors and Local Buyers [03:11] Challenges for Local Buyer's Agents [05:51] Market Trends and Investment Strategies [07:33] Common Mistakes by Investors [08:49] Impact of Market Cycles on Investors [15:25] Role of Lending Advice in Investment Strategies [38:11] Due Diligence and Risk Management [42:35] Property Market Trends and Future Outlook [49:05] About our Guest: Matthew Hughes is the Managing Director and Senior Buyer's Agent at Capital Property Advisory (CPA), Perth’s highest-rated buyer’s agency and development consultancy. With over 20 years of experience in property investment and development, Matthew has a deep passion for wealth creation through strategic property acquisition. He began investing at 19 and has since dedicated over a decade exclusively to working with buyers, guiding clients with unbiased, research-backed advice tailored to their individual goals. Matthew is a Qualified Property Investment Adviser (QPIA®), a licensed real estate and business agent, and a respected leader in the industry, recently winning the 2025 National Property Investment Adviser of the Year award from the Property Investment Professionals of Australia (PIPA). He also serves on the PIPA Board of Directors, advocating for ethical standards and investor education across Australia\ Connect with Matthew: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewhughesqpia/ Resources: Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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About The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate

Who's really in control when you buy a property? The Elephant In The Room is where the things that no one wants to talk about, actually get talked about. Veronica Morgan, real estate agent, buyers agent and co-host of Foxtel’s Location Location Location Australia & Chris Bates, financial planner, mortgage broker and wealth coach have joined forces to find out what’s really going on in the world of real estate. Veronica and Chris talk to property owners and buyers every day in their respective lines of business. They’ve observed a wide spectrum of confidence in people’s decision making ability when buying and selling property, often to the detriment of the individuals concerned. They are both fascinated by consumer behaviour and together they’re going to uncover who’s really making the decisions when you buy a property. In each episode they get into the psyche of buyers, agents, auctioneers and other industry experts to learn the truth about how buyers are influenced and why they do the things they do. In every episode you’ll learn from the mistakes of a “property dumbo” as well as Chris & Veronica’s “elephant rider bootcamp” training session. The plan? This property podcast has been created to help us all make better property decisions!
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