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The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate

Veronica Morgan & Chris Bates
The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate
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  • Property Q&A: Zoning Shakeups, Rentvesting Moves & $600K Investment Myths Debunked
    What do zoning shakeups mean for your suburb, your street, and your property’s value? In this Q&A episode, we answer real questions from listeners and unpack the property market trends that are shaping the way people buy, build, and invest right now. We talk about what makes a home “A-grade” beyond land size and location, how to avoid overcapitalising, and why things like natural light and flexible layouts matter more than fancy finishes. We also break down the reality of rentvesting with a family and whether that under-$600K “positively geared” investment still exists. Here’s what we break down in this episode: Zoning changes are reshaping Sydney’s character suburbs—some areas will win, others could lose. Future-proofing your build matters: think layout, street appeal, and long-term resale. High rental yield doesn’t always mean better—capital growth still does the heavy lifting. Rentvesting only works if it fits your long-term goals and lifestyle. Don’t chase trends. Understand why the property market is shifting before you buy. If these are the questions keeping you up at night, or at least making you pause, this episode’s worth a listen. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:49 - How will zoning and development changes affect Sydney’s heritage suburbs? 11:44 - What should I consider when building a home to maximise resale or rental value? 18:50 - Are three-bedroom apartments really being bought by first home buyers? 22:41 - Should I focus on capital growth or rental yield while building my portfolio? 34:03 - Is it still possible to buy a positively geared property under $600K? 43:56 - Should we rentvest or try to buy in an area we’ve been priced out of? Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Inside Australia’s Housing Crisis: Broken Policy, Supply Myths & Market Limits
    What if everything we’re told about fixing Australia’s housing crisis is just scratching the surface? That’s the starting point for our conversation with Michele Adair, Managing Director of the Housing Trust and a long-time advocate for meaningful housing reform. Michele brings decades of experience and doesn’t hold back when talking about what’s really broken in the system. Throughout the episode, we cover key issues that are often ignored or oversimplified in the national conversation around Australia’s housing crisis, including: Why political promises rarely translate into real, on-the-ground housing outcomes The limitations of the private market and why it can’t deliver genuinely affordable homes How capital gains tax discounts cost the federal budget $23 billion a year – funds that could support social housing The gap between housing policy and delivery, and how that disconnect keeps communities in crisis Why the Housing Australia Future Fund is a step in the right direction, but severely underfunded and politically vulnerable The urgent need for a 20-year national housing strategy that includes all levels of government and addresses workforce shortages How community housing providers are being stretched to the limit, despite being more efficient and regulated than many think Why defining “affordable housing” matters, and how that definition has been lost at a federal level If you care about what’s happening in housing, or you’re just tired of hearing the same old solutions that clearly aren’t working, this one’s worth a listen. Let's get started! Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:21 - Who is Michele Adair? 01:59 - Could the election results have an impact on the ongoing rental crisis? 04:36 - What Michele believes the Labor Party still needs to address beyond supporting HAAF 07:06 - How Michele views the investment fund approach vs direct housing build 09:56 - What’s currently preventing good affordable housing proposals from moving forward 11:02 - Why Michele believes political messaging around “supply” misses the real issue 13:48 - Why housing affordability can’t be fixed by doing the same thing over and over 16:07 - Why housing policy shouldn't be a one-size-fits-all 27:17 - What’s changed, or hasn’t, in the rental crisis since the last conversation 29:49 - How having three levels of government makes fixing housing more difficult 36:50 - Michele’s views on how tax structures and hidden costs affect affordability 38:44 - How community housing is currently financed, and why it’s becoming harder 49:21 - How poorly designed rental laws are putting pressure on both renters and landlords 52:22 - Will regional oversupply outpace urban rental demand? 58:06 - Michele Adair’s property dumbo 59:34 - Thoughts on the 3D printed house About Our Guest: After seven years as CEO at Housing Trust, Michele Adair has now moved into the role of Managing Director to focus on portfolio growth. A courageous and pragmatic driving force in housing policy and advocacy, she was named one of the five most powerful people in property by the AFR in 2023 and won the UDIA’s national award for leadership excellence the same year. Michele was the inaugural Chair of Homes Tasmania and joined the Australian Urban Research Infrastructure Network as their housing industry expert in 2024. Connect with Michele Adair: Website https://www.housingtrust.org.au/ LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/michele-adair Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • From Dummy Bidders to Underquoting: What Auctioneers Know That You Don’t
    What really goes on in an auctioneer’s mind, and what do they see that most buyers and sellers don’t? In this episode, we chat with Emma Brown-Garrett, a seasoned auctioneer who’s been in the property world for over 20 years, to talk about everything most people misunderstand about auctions. Emma’s not just there to call numbers. She’s reading the room, guiding negotiations, and sometimes stepping in to rescue a sale when things aren’t going to plan. We asked her what she notices that tells her a buyer has more money to give, and she was very clear: it’s in the increments, the confidence, the speed of the bids. She also shared why so many buyers get it wrong by waiting too long or hoping someone will say “it’s on the market.” If you’re holding back for that moment, you might just miss out. And when it comes to underquoting, Emma doesn’t shy away from the tricky parts. She opens up about what’s legal, what’s fair, and how agents handle the pressure of changing buyer interest during a campaign. We also dive into the emotional side of auctions; those moments when people start bidding against each other out of ego, not strategy. Emma talks about how she handles it when it starts to feel more like a standoff than a sale, and why being involved from the start of a campaign makes a real difference. She’s not a “rock up on the day” kind of auctioneer, and that changes everything. If you’ve ever walked away from an auction feeling confused or frustrated, this conversation might just give you the clarity you’ve been missing. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 00:55 - Who is Emma Brown-Garrett? 01:49 - What adds the most value to a property sale? 02:36 - Can auctioneers fix a bad auction setup? 04:21 - Are auctioneers expected to do more than just call bids? 05:31 - What auctioneers need to know before auction day 10:07 - What are the ingredients of a good auction from a seller’s perspective? 11:56 - Emma’s thoughts on agents being the auctioneers themselves 13:50 - The hardest auction Emma’s ever had to call 16:33 - Why being involved before auction day gives auctioneers an edge 20:23 - How auctioneers tell if a buyer has more money to spend 24:48 - Can you spot a dummy bidder? What do they look like? 27:52 - An auctioneer’s responsibility in ensuring that phone bidders are legitimate 29:36 - The role of an auctioneer when buyers start overbidding emotionally 32:09 - Is underquoting still a problem? What auctioneers see on the ground 35:44 - Common mistakes buyers make at auction (and how to avoid them) 39:13 - How has changing market conditions affected the way Emma approaches auctions 43:03 - Mistakes buyer’s agents make on auction day 46:01 - Why bids over $1 million can confuse auctioneers and buyers alike 48:51 - Emma Brown-Garrett’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Emma Brown-Garrett is a seasoned real estate auctioneer with over 20 years of experience in the property industry, beginning her career in residential sales with some of Sydney’s most respected boutique agencies. Known for her dynamic energy, adaptability, and sharp communication skills, Emma brings a deep understanding of both sales and auctioneering to every campaign. She is highly regarded for her ability to read the auction floor, guide complex negotiations, and build trust with buyers and sellers alike. As a committed professional who often works closely with agents and vendors throughout the entire campaign—not just on auction day—Emma has earned a reputation for delivering results with integrity, insight, and a personal touch. Connect with Emma Brown-Garrett: LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/menckwhite Instagram https://www.instagram.com/emma_brown_garrett Website https://www.menckwhite.com.au/ Resources mentioned in the episode: Auction Ready by Veronica Morgan https://gooddeeds.com.au/auction-ready/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Is Media Hype Making Australia’s Housing Crisis Worse? with Cameron Kusher
    How much of what we hear about Australia’s housing crisis is actually true, and how much is just media hype? In this episode, we’re joined by Cameron Kusher, a property economist who’s here to speak without corporate filters, and he doesn’t hold back. We talk about how the media often gets housing stories wrong, oversimplifying complex issues just to chase clicks. The real concern? That these headlines shape government policy, leading to short-sighted solutions that don’t actually fix anything. Cameron walks us through what’s really driving the supply issue: rising construction costs, GST on new builds, financing hurdles, and why “just build more” isn’t as easy as it sounds. We also chat about the missing piece in most political conversations: renters. There’s been decades of underinvestment in social and affordable housing, but that rarely gets the spotlight. We cover everything from tax reform to built-to-rent models, university responsibilities, and what role governments should be playing. If you’ve ever felt like the housing conversation is stuck or too focused on band-aid solutions, this one’s worth a listen. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:02 - Who is Cameron Kusher? 01:38 - What frustrates Cameron the most about how media covers the housing market 04:21 - How could governments better assist the housing market? 12:44 - How biased is property media? Can we trust it? 15:26 - What do major networks get wrong about the property market? 17:30 - Why immigration is so hard to reduce and what does it means for housing 22:08 - Will falling inflation and interest rates increase housing approvals? 26:31 - Are planning reforms in NSW and VIC actually working? 33:35 - How much housing supply is considered enough? Can we sustain it? 42:14 - Could tax reform like land tax replace stamp duty? 46:14 - Do bold buyer incentives help or hurt the housing market? 48:37 - Are young people really locked out of the housing market? 51:53 - Is ‘giving while living’ the new Bank of Mum and Dad? 53:55 - Will downsizing boomers actually free up family homes? 57:46 - Are Australians becoming comfortable with lifelong mortgage debt? 1:00:06 - Cameron Kusher's property dumbo About Our Guest: Cameron Kusher is a seasoned property economist and one of Australia’s most respected housing market commentators. With more than 20 years of experience working in the Australian property sector., he has held senior research roles at CoreLogic and REA Group, where he served as Executive Manager of Economic Research. Cameron’s expertise spans residential and commercial property markets, focusing on data-driven insights into housing trends, affordability, and policy impacts. He is a sought-after speaker and writer, known for cutting through media noise to highlight the structural and economic forces shaping Australia’s housing landscape. Connect with Cameron Kusher: LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameron-kusher-bbb71b46/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Why Behavioural Economics Matters in Real Estate with Evan Lucas
    What if the real driver behind Australia’s property obsession isn’t logic, but human behaviour? In this episode, we’re joined by behavioural economist Evan Lucas, and let’s just say… this one’s a thinker. We talk about how our attitudes toward property have shifted since the pandemic; what’s stuck, what’s changed, and why the DIY mindset, generational habits, and even the Bunnings effect all feed into the way we view real estate. It’s not just about shelter. It’s about control. Identity. Security. And that deeply emotional idea of “home.” Evan pulls back the curtain on how we’re wired to respond to urgency, pressure, and even shiny marketing tactics, and how those biases can lead us straight into the wrong property decisions (even when we think we’re being smart about it). We get into pain points like home bias, dopamine hits, and the big one: why losing money on property feels so personal, because for many of us, it is. There’s so much in here for buyers, sellers, and anyone trying to make sense of today’s market. If you’ve ever wondered why the numbers don’t always add up to the decisions people make, this episode explains a lot. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:06 - Who is Evan Lucas? 02:44 - Why Australians are so obsessed with property 06:07 - The real consequences of a property-driven culture 09:17 - Why does behavioural economics matter so much when you’re investing? 13:31 - When did Evan realise behaviour was driving investment outcomes 22:38 - The behavioural biases that quietly sabotage property buyers 29:31 - The big differences in beliefs and behaviours around property across generations 34:38 - Why housing has become a generational and cultural tug-of-war 38:28 - What COVID changed and what it didn’t 42:29 - Will the regional shift last now that offices are calling people back? 46:29 - Work-life tug-of-war: Who’s really in control now? 51:13 - Evan's thoughts on allowing first home buyers to access their super 57:12 - What Evan thinks about value and what it really means in the context of property 1:03:16 - Evan Lucas’ property dumbo About Our Guest: Evan Lucas is a leading behavioural economist, author, and financial commentator known for making complex money matters relatable and human. With a background in global finance and a passion for understanding how emotions and biases shape financial decisions, Evan helps Australians rethink the way they engage with money, investing, and property. He regularly appears in national media and is the author of Mind Over Money, where he explores why logic often takes a back seat when it comes to personal finance. Connect with Evan Lucas: LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/evan-lucas-44a25316 Website https://evanlucas.com.au/ Listen to Evan’s podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/exchanges-with-evan-lucas/id1796919532 Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast [email protected] Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: [email protected] Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Who's really in control when you buy a property? The Elephant In The Room is where the things that no one wants to talk about, actually get talked about. Veronica Morgan, real estate agent, buyers agent and co-host of Foxtel’s Location Location Location Australia & Chris Bates, financial planner, mortgage broker and wealth coach have joined forces to find out what’s really going on in the world of real estate. Veronica and Chris talk to property owners and buyers every day in their respective lines of business. They’ve observed a wide spectrum of confidence in people’s decision making ability when buying and selling property, often to the detriment of the individuals concerned. They are both fascinated by consumer behaviour and together they’re going to uncover who’s really making the decisions when you buy a property. In each episode they get into the psyche of buyers, agents, auctioneers and other industry experts to learn the truth about how buyers are influenced and why they do the things they do. In every episode you’ll learn from the mistakes of a “property dumbo” as well as Chris & Veronica’s “elephant rider bootcamp” training session. The plan? This property podcast has been created to help us all make better property decisions!
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