The Good Life: Andrew Leigh in Conversation

What if ageing well isn’t about stopping cognitive decline, but helping our brains become more adaptable and resilient?

In this episode, I chat with physician, broadcaster and bestselling author Dr Norman Swan about his new book, The Brain Cliff.

Norman also reflects on more than four decades communicating health and medical science to Australians through the ABC, including The Health Report, What’s That Rash?, 7.30 and Four Corners.

Recorded 31 August 2026, Cultural Centre Kambri ANU

Nicholas Epley is one of the world’s leading social psychologists and a professor at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. His research explores how we understand other people, why we so often get their reactions wrong, and how small changes in our behaviour can strengthen our relationships and improve our wellbeing.

In this episode, Nicholas discusses his new book, A Little More Social, and the surprising science of human connection.

We chat about the Chicago train experiment that found commuters were happier talking to strangers than sitting alone, why our pessimism about social interaction can become self-fulfilling, and the evidence that acting more extroverted can make even introverts happier.

From chatting to a stranger on the train to reaching out to someone we care about, Nicholas’s advice is simple: when in doubt, reach out.

Professor Michael Smithson joined me to discuss his entertaining new book, “The Psychology of Ignorance”. We talk about why ignorance is more than stupidity, how certain unknowns make us anxious, what happens when people don’t realise how ignorant they are, and when we might be happier not knowing certain things.

Jessy Wu is a Sydney-based writer, entrepreneur and author of the debut novel 'Good Intentions'. A former management consultant and venture capital investor, she is also the founder of Broad Church, a creative communal space in Chippendale.

Jessy discusses how 'Good Intentions' brings together young love, university journalism, finance and biotechnology. They explore ambition, moral compromise and the tension between changing institutions from within and challenging them from the outside.

The conversation also examines how class, migrant experience and financial security shape ethical choices, why good intentions can excuse harmful behaviour, and whether workplaces gradually change the values of the people inside them.

Ed Coper is an expert in digital politics who helped build one of Australia’s first major online political movements and has advised advocacy campaigns around the world.

His previous book, Facts and Other Lies, explored the disinformation age: how fake news spreads, why it is so difficult to stop, and what citizens can do to defend the truth.

His latest book, Angertainment: How Social Media Outrage Ruined Everything, takes that story a step further. It asks why our social feeds increasingly feel less like public squares and more like pokie machines for grievance, endlessly rewarding outrage with attention.

In this conversation, Ed discusses rage-bait algorithms, political demagogues, corporate platforms, and the business model that turns fury into clicks, influence and power. We explore how online toxicity is engineered and amplified, what the outrage economy is doing to democracy, and whether it is still possible to build a healthier digital life.