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- The AFR reckons rentvesting is dead now that negative gearing has been wound back. Jack Henderson reckons the AFR has it backwards, and he's paying $3,700 a week in rent while he says it.
This one moves fast. Jack explains the valuation method most property investors have never heard of, where a property with two incomes on one title gets valued on its rent instead of on what the neighbours sold for, and walks through the duplex where that difference was worth more than a million dollars. He puts a number on what a dollar of rent is worth in value.
He gets specific about the off-the-plan settlements he thinks are about to go wrong, and the capital gains tax bill you can get on a property that never went up. And he ends with the single piece of research he tells every young investor to do before they touch anything.
Language warning. Jack talks the way Jack talks. This one isn't for the school run.
WHAT YOU'LL GET OUT OF IT
Why rentvesting still works without negative gearing, and where it stops making sense
The cap rate valuation method, and why it only applies to properties with multiple incomes on one title
Jack's duplex, a $500k paper loss that became a gain by not subdividing
What a dollar of rent is worth at a 5% cap rate versus a 3% cap rate
The off-the-plan settlements about to land 20% under contract price
Why depreciation can hand you a CGT bill on a property that didn't grow
The only time Jack thinks you should buy brand new
What he tells clients who are scared of prices falling further
Why the tax narrative looks different once you know corporate tax was 49% in the 80s
The question to ask the oldest person you know
CHAPTERS
00:10 Is rentvesting dead?
01:28 The rent increase Jack refused to pay
02:32 Has the YAM strategy changed since the budget?
03:52 The duplex: $5.25m, then $4.7m, then $6.5m
07:47 When valuers use a cap rate
08:20 What a dollar of rent is worth
08:52 The Paddington office at a 2.8% cap rate
10:06 Everyone's feeling battered. What now?
11:25 If you do nothing, will you get there?
12:21 Corporate tax was 49% in the 80s
14:56 Who actually pays the tax in Australia
15:43 Worried about valuations falling?
16:08 Off-the-plan carnage
17:22 The 5% deposit scheme and negative equity
19:19 The depreciation trap that creates a CGT bill
21:43 Will more finished properties come to market?
22:36 The only time to buy brand new
25:24 De-risking a falling market
26:13 Has the playbook changed?
28:09 So, for the AFR readers, is rentvesting dead?
28:46 Ask the oldest person you know
31:35 Buy a fast boat
GUEST LINKS
Jack Henderson, Henderson Advocacy: https://henderson.com.au/
Jack on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jackchenderson/
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This podcast is for education only and doesn't take into account your personal circumstances. It's not financial advice. If you buy a financial product, read the PDS and TMD, and seek advice tailored to your situation. Ben Nash and Pivot Wealth are authorised representatives of Fish Tacos Pty Ltd, ABN 14 649 248 082, AFSL 533055. - On 12 May the budget killed the bucket company. A 30% minimum tax on trust income was the headline, but the real damage was underneath it, because that tax came with no credit when the money moved on to a company. Stack the two together and business owners were looking at an effective rate over 60% on profit they had already been taxed on once.
On 3 September the government released draft legislation that changes the picture, and Ben walks through exactly what it does. There is a window, it closes on 1 July 2028, and if you make a fixed election on your trust before then, the 30% minimum tax doesn't apply. The trade is that a discretionary trust stops being discretionary, forever.
Ben runs the numbers on a business making $400k a year and shows a gap of just under $2 million between two owners doing the same thing in different structures. He also covers the strategy the election kills, which is distributing to your adult kids. And he explains why who owns the shares in your bucket company now matters more than it ever has, with a 22-month window that just started.
WHAT YOU'LL GET OUT OF IT
What a bucket company is and why business owners built their wealth around it
How the budget got the effective tax rate on trust distributions above 60%
What the 3 September draft legislation changes, and when it's expected to pass
The fixed election, how it works, why it's permanent, and the two things that reset it
A business making $400k a year, in a company versus personally, over 10 and 30 years
Why distributing to adult children is now off the table
Who should own the shares in your bucket company
What happens to anyone who starts a business after 1 July 2028
The sequence to follow before the window closes
CHAPTERS
00:06 Is the bucket company dead?
01:10 What a bucket company actually does
02:53 What the budget did on 12 May
05:00 The 3 September draft legislation
06:13 The election window closes 1 July 2028
08:15 A discretionary trust that isn't discretionary
10:30 Plan ten years out, not twelve months
11:35 If you start a business after July 2028
14:21 Ben paid himself nothing for three years
15:45 The numbers: $200k a year into a bucket company
18:33 The adult kids strategy is finished
20:44 Income versus distribution, and payroll tax
21:27 Who should own the bucket company
22:46 Stress test your accountant
23:23 The 22-month window
24:02 Stamp duty and why the states said no
25:57 The sequence to follow before the deadline
28:00 Don't die wondering
29:20 Wrap
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This podcast is for education only and doesn't take into account your personal circumstances. It's not financial advice. If you buy a financial product, read the PDS and TMD, and seek advice tailored to your situation. Ben Nash and Pivot Wealth are authorised representatives of Fish Tacos Pty Ltd, ABN 14 649 248 082, AFSL 533055. - Every second call at the moment ends the same way. The budget has tightened the screws, the pay rise didn't move the needle, so what if we just moved to Singapore? Or Dubai. Or Hong Kong.
Ben and Siobhan ran the numbers, and the first thing they found is that Australia is a lower tax country than the UK, Canada, New Zealand and most of Europe. The catch is where we collect it. Almost 43% of every tax dollar in Australia comes from personal income, one of the heaviest reliances on personal income tax in the developed world, and that is exactly why it feels the way it does.
From there it gets practical. What you take home on $100k, $250k, $500k and $1 million in Sydney versus Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai. What those countries charge you instead, from a 60% stamp duty on foreigners to private everything. How you actually get in.
The tax bill Australia hands you on the way out. And the two residency tests the ATO uses to decide whether you really left, because the people getting caught aren't the ones who moved, they're the ones who pretended to.
WHAT YOU'LL GET OUT OF IT
Why Australia's total tax take is below the OECD average, and why it feels worse than that
Take-home pay on $100k, $250k, $500k and $1m across Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai
Zero capital gains, zero on dividends and zero on interest, and what these countries charge instead
The employment pass, the top talent pass and the golden visa, and what each one costs to qualify for
Monaco, the Caribbean, Vanuatu and the other places that make the list
The deemed disposal tax bill you pay when you leave, without selling anything
Source tax versus residency tax, and why your Australian property still gets taxed
The six-month test and the centre of vital economic interest
Who relocating actually works for, and who ends up worse off
The tax-smart moves available to you if you stay
CHAPTERS
00:07 Should you move to Singapore to save tax?
01:33 Australia is below the OECD average, with one big but
03:50 Why the pay rise stopped moving the needle
04:30 Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai, why those three
05:46 Take-home pay on $100k, $250k, $500k and $1m
08:13 One year in Dubai equals five years here
09:22 Zero CGT, zero on dividends, zero on interest
10:09 Tax residency is the whole game
11:23 How these countries tax you instead
12:13 Getting in: employment passes, talent passes and golden visas
15:37 Monaco, the Caribbean and Vanuatu
19:21 The deemed disposal bill on the way out
20:20 Source tax versus residency tax
24:19 The six-month test and centre of vital economic interest
26:16 Line-ball residency cases
28:37 Who this actually works for
29:38 Is it worth six months away from your family?
30:36 The tax-smart moves if you stay
32:33 Wrap
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This podcast is for education only and doesn't take into account your personal circumstances. It's not financial advice. If you buy a financial product, read the PDS and TMD, and seek advice tailored to your situation. Ben Nash and Pivot Wealth are authorised representatives of Fish Tacos Pty Ltd, ABN 14 649 248 082, AFSL 533055. - Hugh Robertson reckons the world changed for Aussie investors on 12 May. For years the playbook
was simple. Earn well, borrow, negatively gear into residential property and let the market do the
rest. The budget took a fair chunk of that off the table, and now a lot of people with money to put to
work are asking the same question. What's the play now?
Hugh runs Centaur Financial Services, sits on the Barron's Top 100 adviser list, and has been a
mate of Ben's for over a decade, which means he doesn't get to be diplomatic. In this one he walks
through exactly what his firm changed in client portfolios after the budget, why they've gone
underweight Australian shares, and the asset classes they're now allocating to that they never
touched before.
We also get into the commercial property pitch flooding everyone's feed, and why two emerging
markets ETFs can hold completely different countries. Hugh explains what big tech raising debt tells
you about where the US market sits, and puts Ben through the maths question about a 50% fall that
trips up almost everyone. Then the honest bit on stock picking, why only around one in ten active
managers beats the index over a decade, and what Hugh thinks matters most for investors over the
next six to 12 months.
CHAPTERS (raw recording times, re-map to the final cut before publishing)
00:00 Intro and the list that actually counts
01:27 The world changed on 12 May
03:38 Where ambitious investors go now
04:06 The commercial property trap
06:48 What Centaur changed in its portfolios after the budget
08:17 The nanny state and the aspirational investor
11:00 How much the CGT changes drove the shift to global
12:11 The fully franked dividend obsession
13:12 Total return and where wealth sits once trusts are gone
14:26 ETF, managed fund or direct
15:17 Investing at all-time highs
16:58 AI after the picks and shovels
18:49 Emerging markets and the South Korea trade
20:09 Two emerging markets ETFs, two very different baskets
21:01 Staying in the US and backing the jockey
22:06 Same profit, half the price
22:47 Infrastructure as inflation protection
24:09 Locked-up money and closed-end funds
24:44 Private markets, evergreen funds and secondaries
25:59 Comparison is the thief of joy
26:42 Is the US market overcooked?
28:10 The canary in the coal mine
29:20 SpaceX, IPOs and Aussie super money
31:07 Where the opportunity actually is
33:47 Global small caps and the information edge
36:21 Only one in ten active managers beats the index
37:22 Accumulators want volatility, retirees don't
38:09 The maths test almost everyone fails
39:17 GFC lessons and the free lunch
40:44 When DIY stops making sense
42:52 Boring portfolio, interesting life
43:34 Don't get mad at your adviser when markets fall
45:06 The most important thing for the next six to 12 months
46:29 Why not to ask AI for financial advice
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ABN 14 649 248 082, AFSL 533055. - Maddy and James are both senior, both earning well, and last year they opened a tax bill with six figures on it and no idea how they were going to pay it.
The problem was never income. It was employer equity. Every vest built the paper wealth and the tax liability at the same time, and they'd been covering it by selling shares and draining savings, three times over. Then they upgraded the house, sold more stock to fund the stamp duty, and the cycle got worse.
This is how they got out of what they call tax jail, and what changed once they did. Twelve months on they're comfortably up six figures, they've got pre-approval on an investment property, an ETF portfolio, and they're talking to architects about the renovation.
WHAT YOU'LL GET OUT OF IT
Why a bigger salary and an equity comp plan created a problem instead of solving one
The trap of selling shares to pay the tax on shares, over and over
Concentration risk when your income and your portfolio come from the same company
Why they held every vest for years, and the moment that changed
Getting burned by a previous adviser, and what they would look for now
How the budget capital gains changes made them pause an investment property
Ten years of lost super across four funds, and how it finally got fixed
Why top few percent earners still end up shuffling money at the end of the month
Debt recycling, offsets and the strategies they had never heard of
CHAPTERS
00:03 Rapid fire round
07:09 Intro
07:35 Senior, well paid, and still stretched
09:53 The moment the tax bill landed
10:32 How they found out, and the options they weighed
11:35 How they'd been handling it before
12:43 What Sunday night money chats looked like
14:16 The moment they decided to act
15:05 Concentration risk in employer shares
18:00 What it would have cost to keep going
18:58 Getting burned by a previous adviser
21:43 Selling vested shares, then versus now
25:12 What they used to believe about money
27:25 What surprised them about the process
29:47 The decision they now make differently
31:27 What used to keep them up at night
32:43 What's possible now that wasn't 12 months ago
33:29 A refinance in five days
33:59 What's different day to day
36:19 Ten years of lost super, sorted in weeks
37:07 What actually changed about their lifestyle
38:41 Sunday night money chats now
39:39 Why they paused the investment property after the budget
42:11 What Ian said that stuck
44:00 What makes the fees worth paying
45:27 Advice to their 21 year old selves
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