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The Inclusion Podcast

Dr. Julie Causton & Dr. Kristie Pretti-Frontczak
The Inclusion Podcast
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  • Ep. 49 Support is a Verb—Not a Human
    When most people hear the word inclusion… they immediately say-- “then we need more support”. And what they mean is more paraprofessionals. In this podcast we will explore this big idea… support isn’t a person—it’s what we do to help students access learning. In this episode, we rethink support as a dynamic, flexible action that starts before, during, and after a lesson. Join us to discover simple ways to make support smarter, without hiring more people. Download the handout at inclusiveschooling.com/download49
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  • Ep. 48 Finding the Just Right Challenge: Introducing the Zigzag Equalizer
    In this episode, Julie and Kristie introduce the zigzag equalizer, a powerful tool to help educators adjust the level of challenge in real-time for every student. By tuning the "equalizer," teachers can meet diverse learning needs—whether a student is struggling or excelling—by balancing factors like complexity, structure, and group dynamics. With relatable examples (including Goldilocks and DJ metaphors), Julie and Kristie explain how to use this tool to create engaging, individualized learning experiences. Download the handout at inclusiveschooling.com/download48 to see the full equalizer visual with directions on how to use.
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  • Ep. 47 Two Legal Cases That Changed Inclusion Forever (And Why You Should Care!)
    In this episode, Julie and Kristie break down two landmark court cases that have shaped inclusive education: Roncker v. Walter and Endrew F. You'll learn how the Roncker portability test supports bringing services directly into general education settings and how Endrew F. raised the standard for meaningful educational progress. Discover how these legal principles can empower you to advocate for students with disabilities and strengthen inclusive practices in your school. Download the episode handout with a summary of both course cases at inclusiveschooling.com/download47.
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  • Ep. 46 Why Resource Rooms Aren't Working (And What We Should Do Instead)
    In this episode, Julie and Kristie take a critical look at resource rooms and why they often fall short of supporting students with disabilities. From social isolation to lowered expectations, they discuss the real-world challenges and myths surrounding these segregated supports. You’ll also learn actionable strategies for providing portable, inclusive supports within general education classrooms, promoting both academic success and belonging for all students. Download the episode handout at inclusiveschooling.com/download46.
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  • Ep. 45 "But, What Will They Get Out of This Class?" – 20 Responses Every Educator
    In this episode, Julie and Kristie take on a question that educators are often asked to justify excluding students with disabilities: “But what will they get out of this class?” Through real-life stories—including a powerful example of Stephanie's success with Romeo and Juliet—they reveal why this question is misguided and provide 20 practical responses to advocate for inclusion. Download the 20 powerful phrases for free at inclusiveschooling.com/download45.
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About The Inclusion Podcast

Welcome to ”The Inclusion Podcast” —your go-to source for making inclusive education a reality. Whether you’re a school leader, educator, advocate, parent, paraprofessional, or simply passionate about creating more inclusive school spaces, this podcast is for you. In each 15-minute episode, we dive into the heart of inclusive education, offering expert insights, real-world strategies, and answers to burning questions on how to make every classroom welcoming for all students, PreK-12. From redefining what special education is (and isn’t) to understanding Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) and exploring cutting-edge co-teaching practices, we cover the essential topics that help schools transform. Join us as we break down complex ideas into actionable steps, challenge outdated special education practices, and provide you with the tools to create environments where every student thrives. Whether you’re navigating the challenges of inclusive change or looking to elevate your practices, we’re here to inspire, motivate, and guide you every step of the way. Ready to create schools where everyone belongs? Tune in and let’s build a more inclusive future together.
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