The AI Movement with Brooke

What if Microsoft Office and Google Workspace were redesigned from the ground up for AI? Rohit Patel left his role as a director at Meta Superintelligence Labs after 8 years to launch Ndoc.ai, an AI-native workspace designed to bring spreadsheets, documents, presentations, and analysis into one connected experience.
But his bigger concern goes beyond productivity. As AI takes on more of our work, how do we track where the information comes from and how decisions are made?
We sit down during the Miami AI Summit to explore the thinking behind Ndoc, how he uses AI agents in his personal life, and why even someone who has helped develop advanced AI models doesn't trust them to do everything.
If you're tired of moving between AI chats, spreadsheets, and presentations to get your work done, or you're curious about what the next generation of business software could look like, this conversation is for you.
In this conversation:
Why Rohit believes traditional office software needs to be redesigned for AI
How Ndoc connects analysis, documents, and presentations while keeping the underlying information traceable
How Rohit builds personal AI agents for everyday tasks and why not everything needs an agent
Where AI-generated code still falls short, even for experienced developers
The standard he uses to decide whether an AI product is worth releasing
Why transparency matters when AI becomes part of critical business decisions
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About Rohit
Rohit Patel is an AI researcher and founder of Ndoc. He spent eight years at Meta, most recently as a director at Meta Superintelligence Labs, where his work included AI model evaluation, reinforcement learning, and post-training.
He also holds a PhD in game theory. His latest venture, Ndoc, is focused on reimagining how people create and share knowledge using AI.
Connect with Rohit
Explore Ndoc and request access
Rohit's website
About the Miami AI Summit: Hosted by eMerge Americas, the Miami AI Summit brings together leading voices in artificial intelligence to explore how AI is being developed, adopted, and scaled across industries.
Learn more: https://emergeamericas.com/ai/
Timestamps
00:00 A different future for office software
03:02 Why Rohit started Ndoc after leaving Meta
05:45 Reimagining spreadsheets and AI collaboration
07:04 Keeping AI-generated work traceable
09:50 How Rohit uses custom AI agents
13:27 When you need an agent and when you don't
15:22 Where AI-generated code still falls short
17:18 What makes an AI product worth using
21:30 The risk of letting AI filter business decisions
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The AI Movement With Brooke is a weekly podcast exploring how AI is changing the way we build, create and make decisions.

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Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. Guest opinions are their own. Content is provided without guarantees of accuracy or results. Always verify information before acting. To the fullest extent permitted by law, Brooke Gramer, The AI Movement, and EmpowerFlow Strategies LLC disclaim liability arising from reliance on this content.

Have you noticed how easy it is to recognize an email written with ChatGPT? Lauren Mushro is researching something bigger: whether AI is starting to change the words we use, and what happens to local dialects when language models tend to favor the most predictable language.
It's called "linguistic flattening," and it raises an interesting question: Are we starting to learn language from AI instead of just teaching AI our language?
Lauren is the Responsible AI Human-Centered Design Lead at BMO and an AI ethics professor at CUNY. We talk about how AI is affecting language, why critical thinking matters more as we rely on these tools, and how smaller AI models could help preserve the expressions that larger models overlook.
In this conversation
Why ChatGPT and other language models can make writing sound increasingly similar
What linguistic flattening could mean for slang, regional dialects, and languages with less training data
The difference between using AI to learn and losing skills by relying on it too much
Why AI companies scan physical books for model training, and the questions this raises about copyright
The dead internet theory and how AI-generated content is changing what we trust online
Why Lauren is building a small language model to better recognize Caribbean Spanglish
About Lauren
Lauren Mushro, PhD, is the Responsible AI Human-Centered Design Lead at Bank of Montreal (BMO) and an Adjunct Associate Professor in AI Ethics at the City University of New York. She holds a PhD in Modern Languages from Johns Hopkins University and researches how AI systems affect language, culture, and the way we communicate.
Connect with Lauren
Website: https://laurenmushro.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenmushro
Mentioned in this episode
Center for AI Safety: https://safe.ai/
Machine Gods with Casey Newton and Kevin Roose: https://machinegods.fm/
Shae O. Omonijo, Critical Thinking in the Age of AI: https://www.instagram.com/iamshaeo/
Partner
Paid partnership: This episode includes paid promotional content from Omnisend.
Omnisend helps ecommerce brands manage email and SMS marketing. By connecting Omnisend to ChatGPT or Claude, you can ask questions about campaign performance and get a clearer picture of what needs your attention.
Learn more about Omnisend: https://your.omnisend.com/HOWAI
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction: How AI Is Changing the Way We Think
04:11 Responsible AI and the Impact on Language
07:21 AI in Education and the Critical Thinking Crisis
12:49 Why AI Companies Are Scanning Physical Books
17:59 Linguistic Flattening: Is AI Changing Our Language?
22:04 What Should We Stop Outsourcing to AI?
25:04 The Dead Internet Theory and AI-Generated Content
32:19 Final Takeaways and Building AI for Spanglish
Listener offer
Save 5% on Leela Quantum Tech with code BROOKE: https://leelaq.com/?ref=Brooke
Affiliate disclosure: I may earn a commission if you purchase through this link, at no additional cost to you.
The AI Movement With Brooke is a weekly podcast exploring how AI is changing the way we build, create and make decisions.

Follow on LinkedIn: Brooke Gramer
Website: TheAIMovementPodcast.com

Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. Guest opinions are their own. Content is provided without guarantees of accuracy or results. Always verify information before acting. To the fullest extent permitted by law, Brooke Gramer, The AI Movement, and EmpowerFlow Strategies LLC disclaim liability arising from reliance on this content.

Krista is the founder and CEO of Authentic Audience, a full-service digital advertising agency, and the creator of Authentic Business Club. In our conversation, she shares how she is turning years of marketing and coaching experience into AI tools, from Mae, her morning AI executive, to KJ AI, the coach trained on hundreds of hours of her coaching, and her five-role AI Marketing Team using Claude Skills.
We get into how to train AI with your own context, where to keep your judgment in the process, and whether AI is creating more room for meaningful work or simply more pressure to do more.
Paid partnership: This episode includes paid promotional content from Omnisend.
Omnisend partnership
Omnisend is an email and SMS marketing platform used by more than 200,000 brands. By connecting Omnisend's MCP directly with ChatGPT or Claude, you can review campaign performance, uncover what needs attention, create client-ready reports, and take action without manually moving data between tools.
Learn more about Omnisend
In this conversation
How Krista uses about 2,000 hours of her work to inform KJ AI
Why KJ AI is designed to coach and review, not write everything for you
How Mae helps Krista sort her attention and decide what needs her that day
What Krista’s five AI Marketing Team tools do, from copywriting to ad support
How AI can speed up reporting while leaving creative direction and judgment with people
How to use AI to expand your capacity without losing your voice
Connect with Krista on Instagram
Krista’s AI Marketing Team Offer
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https://www.authenticbusinessclub.co/ai-marketing-team
Timestamps
00:00 Turning Krista’s expertise into AI tools
04:00 Where AI creates leverage for a founder
07:46 Mae, the morning AI executive
14:11 The five roles on Krista’s AI Marketing Team
20:56 Omnisend sponsored message
29:30 AI and paid advertising
35:20 AI, pressure, and sustainable growth
40:26 Krista’s closing advice for founders
Listener offer
Save 5% on Leela Quantum Tech with code BROOKE:
https://leelaq.com/?ref=Brooke
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The AI Movement With Brooke is a weekly podcast exploring how AI is changing the way we build, create and make decisions.

Follow on LinkedIn: Brooke Gramer
Website: TheAIMovementPodcast.com

Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. Guest opinions are their own. Content is provided without guarantees of accuracy or results. Always verify information before acting. To the fullest extent permitted by law, Brooke Gramer, The AI Movement, and EmpowerFlow Strategies LLC disclaim liability arising from reliance on this content.

Chandler Malone is the CEO of Bootup Studios, an AI-powered startup studio built for early-stage entrepreneurs. We get into how first-time founders can use AI agents to develop an idea, find customers, access funding opportunities, and handle more of the day-to-day execution of building a business. 
AI is making it possible for one founder or a very small team to do work that once required far more people, but knowing what to build and what not to hand off to AI still matters.
If you have been thinking about starting a business, building a side income stream, or figuring out how much more you can do with AI and a smaller team, this episode is for you.
In this conversation:
How AI agents can help founders move from idea to execution
What Bootup Studios was built to solve for first-time entrepreneurs
Why you do not need to be technical to start using AI in your business
How vibe coding changed the speed of building and testing new products
Why customer conversations, relationships, and founder judgment should not be outsourced to AI
Chandler's approach to startup funding, grants, customer revenue, and venture capital
Why AI may lead to more people building small businesses of their own
Connect with Chandler
Bootup Studios: https://www.bootupstudios.ai
Chandler Malone on LinkedIn 
Mentioned in this episode
Claude Code, v0 by Vercel, Composio, Y Combinator Startup School, Paul Graham, Synthesia
Partners
Paid partnership: This episode includes paid promotional content from Omnisend.
Omnisend is an email and SMS marketing platform used by more than 200,000 brands. By connecting Omnisend's MCP directly with ChatGPT or Claude, you can review campaign performance, uncover what needs attention, create client-ready reports, and take action without manually moving data between tools.
Learn more about Omnisend
Listener offer
Save 5% on Leela Quantum Tech with code BROOKE: https://leelaq.com/?ref=Brooke
I earn a commission if you purchase through my link, at no additional cost to you.
Timestamps
00:00 Chandler Malone and Bootup Studios
 03:51 Building an AI operating system for entrepreneurs
 05:11 Who Bootup Studios is built for
 08:02 Starting a business without a technical background
 12:38 Vibe coding and building a product faster
 20:02 Startup funding, relationships, grants, and VC
 27:03 Why AI could create a new wave of small businesses
 34:19 Chandler's advice for starting something of your own
The AI Movement With Brooke is a weekly podcast exploring how AI is changing the way we build, create and make decisions.

Follow on LinkedIn: Brooke Gramer
Website: TheAIMovementPodcast.com

Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. Guest opinions are their own. Content is provided without guarantees of accuracy or results. Always verify information before acting. To the fullest extent permitted by law, Brooke Gramer, The AI Movement, and EmpowerFlow Strategies LLC disclaim liability arising from reliance on this content.

Paid partnership: This episode includes paid promotional content from Omnisend.
AI adoption can save a team hours without improving business results. After over a decade in marketing, Bernard Meyer now leads AI operations at Omnisend, despite not coming from a technical background. He explains why teams need to measure AI by the outcomes they want, then test whether their AI workflows deliver. 
We chat about making AI a daily habit, where human judgment still matters, and what changes when e-commerce teams connect Omnisend to AI assistants. If you're deciding how to bring AI into your own work, this is a practical look at what effective adoption takes.
In this conversation:
- Why Omnisend shifted from tracking hours saved to measuring business outcomes
- How AI helped the sales team move from 25% to 100% of follow-up emails sent within 24 hours, with people reviewing before sending
- Why teams need to test AI workflows before putting them into use
- Where creative work still depends on human judgment
- What Omnisend's MCP connection with AI assistants makes possible
- Why Bernard sees building as one of the best ways to learn AI
- How AI can help or hurt the connection between a business and its customers
Partner
Omnisend is an email and SMS marketing platform used by more than 200,000 brands. By connecting Omnisend’s MCP directly with ChatGPT or Claude, you can review campaign performance, uncover what needs attention, create client-ready reports, and take action without manually moving data between tools.
Learn more about Omnisend. 
About Bernard
Bernard Meyer is Omnisend's AI Operations Manager, where he leads AI adoption and builds workflows and automations across the company. Before moving into AI operations, he spent more than 12 years in marketing, communications, and content.
Connect with Bernard on LinkedIn

Timestamps
00:00 Bernard's move from marketing to AI operations
03:18 Making AI a daily habit
07:07 AI-assisted sales follow-up
09:13 Measuring business outcomes, not hours saved
11:00 Testing AI workflows before launch
13:21 Where creative work still needs human judgment
16:08 Connecting Omnisend to AI assistants with MCP
23:09 Building as a way to learn AI
27:13 AI and real customer relationships

Listener offer
Save 5% on Leela Quantum Tech with code BROOKE:
https://leelaq.com/?ref=Brooke
I earn a commission if you purchase through my link, at no additional cost to you.
The AI Movement With Brooke is a weekly podcast exploring how AI is changing the way we build, create and make decisions.

Follow on LinkedIn: Brooke Gramer
Website: TheAIMovementPodcast.com

Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. Guest opinions are their own. Content is provided without guarantees of accuracy or results. Always verify information before acting. To the fullest extent permitted by law, Brooke Gramer, The AI Movement, and EmpowerFlow Strategies LLC disclaim liability arising from reliance on this content.