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The Rules of Investing

Podcast The Rules of Investing
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The Rules of Investing

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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand ... More
The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand ... More

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  • Jun Bei Liu: Top stocks for today’s markets
    Earlier this month, the Reserve Bank of Australia was forced to cough up internal documents under Freedom of Information laws. This included an internal modelling exercise from September 2022, which revealed the risk of an Australian recession could be as high as 80% by September 2024. Meanwhile, a recent Bloomberg survey of 14 economists saw the probability of a recession in Australia climb from 35% to 38% in April.  Investors themselves, through their positioning, seem to be suggesting the same. Shares in classic defensive names such as Transurban (up 14%), Woolworths (up 15%), Wesfarmers (up 9%), Coles (up 15%), Telstra (up 10%), Origin Energy (up 9%) and AGL (up 11%) have continued to tick higher since the beginning of the year.  And yet, Tribeca Investment Partners' Jun Bei Liu is unflinchingly bullish. She doesn't believe the Australian economy will nosedive into a hard landing in the next few months or years. Instead, she argues the noise in markets has created extraordinary investment opportunities today.  In this episode, Liu shares:  Three rules for investors to live by.  Her macro outlook for the years ahead.  Why there is still fuel left in the tank when it comes to the China reopening.  Her top long and short positions right now.  Note: This episode was recorded on Wednesday, May 24, 2023 Timestamps  0:00 - Intro  1:25 - Three rules investors should live by 4:58 - Jun Bei's North Star for volatile markets  7:34 - Jun Bei's base case: Why she doesn't believe Australia will experience a recession  12:38 - The China re-opening theme isn't over yet (and the stocks' Jun Bei is backing) 19:53 - Jun Bei's earnings outlook for the ASX  21:55 - Companies facing margin pressure over the months ahead  23:11 - Why Jun Bei is shorting Super Retail Group (ASX: SUL) 26:20 - And why she's backing A2 Milk (ASX: A2M), NEXTDC (ASX: NXT), Macquarie Group (ASX: MQG), REA Group (ASX: REA), Xero (ASX: XRO), TechnologyOne (ASX: TNE), Pilbara Minerals (ASX: PLS) and Treasury Wine Estates (ASX: TWE).  28:55 - The unloved stocks Jun Bei is loving right now 32:26 - The importance of emotional intelligence when it comes to investing  36:49 - The best CEO and management teams in Australia  39:30 - The Rules of Investing's three favourite questions (what investors are getting wrong, a big win and loss, and a stock Jun Bei would back for the next 5 years)
    26/05/2023
    46:36
  • Trailer: Jun Bei Liu, Tribeca Investment Partners
    In this week’s episode of the Rules of investing, we’re joined by Jun Bei Liu from Tribeca Investment Partners. Jun Bei uses a blend of a fundamental and quantitative investment process to identify long-term opportunities. But she also has a secret weapon in her back pocket. By short selling stocks with weaker investment characteristics and reinvesting the proceeds in preferred long plays, the fund has been able to beat its benchmark not only over the past year, but every year since its inception. Jun Bei will share her North Star for navigating volatile markets, her outlook on Aussie equity earnings, as well as some of her favourite stocks on both the long and short sides today. Here's a preview of what you can expect.  
    24/05/2023
    1:24
  • This fundie found Afterpay at $6. Now he’s found his next opportunity
    Investing hasn’t been easy these past few years amid a pandemic, soaring inflation and monetary tightening. The ASX200 did 1.4% in 2020, 17% in 2021 and then -1% last year. Hugely volatile.  But it's in times like this when the cream rises to the top. As most fund managers struggle to match the benchmark, Datt Capital’s Absolute Return fund has returned an enormous 25% per annum over the last three years. It's a staggering performance that most fund managers would give their left arm to get. In this week's episode of The Rules of Investing, Livewire's David Thornton speaks to Emanuel Datt, founder of Datt Capital. Datt’s modest demeanour belies the rockstar performance he’s generated. Not one to rest on his laurels, though, he’s about to launch a new small-cap fund that seeks to outperform the Small Ordinaries Index by 5% per annum. While the fund may be new, Datt's experience with small cap stocks certainly isn't - he bought market darling Afterpay at $6, long before it became Australia's largest ever takeover at a cool $39 billion.  Datt discusses: the processes and investments that netted the absolute fund such stellar numbers; how he found Afterpay; why he believes now is the time to get into small caps; and the investment opportunity he sees in rare earths.  Note: this episode was recorded on Tuesday May 16, 2023 Timestamps 1:50 - The man behind Datt Capital 3:20 - Opening up shop 4:30 - Achieving 25% p.a. 7:30 - Rare earths 12:00 - The opportunity in small caps 19:00 - The sectors leading small caps 21:00 - Spotting Afterpay 24:00 - Red flags 27:00 - Finding sustainable companies 30:10 - Inflation can't be understated 31:20 - Winning big with Adriatic Metals (ASX: ADT)
    19/05/2023
    36:10
  • Trailer: This fundie found Afterpay at $6. Now he’s found his next opportunity
    Investing hasn’t been easy these past few years. The S&P/ASX200 did 1.4% in 2020, 17% in 2021 and then -1% last year. Huge volatility. As most fund managers struggle to match the benchmark, Datt Capital’s absolute return fund has generated an enormous 25% per annum over the last three years. Staggering performance that most fund managers would give their left arm to get.     This week’s guest on The Rules of Investing is Datt Capital’s founder, Emanual Datt. Datt’s modest demeanour belies the rockstar performance he’s generated. Not one to rest on his laurels, he’s about to launch a new small cap fund that seeks to outperform the Small Ordinaries Index by 5% per annum. In the upcoming episode, we discuss: the processes and investments that netted the absolute fund such stellar numbers why he believes now is the time to get into small caps, and the investment opportunity in rare earths. Here's a preview of what you can expect. 
    17/05/2023
    2:18
  • Is this the least crowded opportunity in the market today?
    In the world of investing, listed markets dominate the airwaves due to their ease of access, broker coverage and liquidity. For that reason, unlisted shares can often take a back seat. But companies aren’t born on the listed markets. Many of the best opportunities exist in the unlisted, pre-IPO space. Today’s guest is Dane Roberts – a portfolio manager at Fifth Estate Asset Management. Fifth Estate invest in pre-IPO, IPO, unlisted and listed microcap and small cap companies. Its first fund was launched in 2021, delivering 13.29% since then – impressive considering the extreme volatility of that period. That fund’s closed to new investment, but they’re about launch their second fund with much the same strategy. In today’s episode, we discuss what it takes to invest in unlisted companies, how they compare to their listed peers, the outlook for unlisted stocks, and why now could be the perfect time to invest at the pre-IPO stage.  Note: This interview was recorded on Friday May 5, 2023.  Timestamps 1:49 - Birds-eye view of pre-IPO and IPO 4:00 - Liquidity in unlisted markets 6:00 - Debt vs equity 10:30 - The perfect time to put money to work 12:45 - Finding and filtering unlisted companies 15:30 - How unlisted assets are priced 18:40 - When should a company list? 22:20 - A company storming towards IPO 27:20 - Fund 2 30:24 - In it for the long haul 33:00 - Monetary policy on the street 35:40 - The comeback kid (ASX: NXT) 38:45 - An infrastructure company surrounded by moats
    05/05/2023
    40:55

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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand their processes, philosophy, and current take on markets. After launching in October 2017, there have been over 100 episodes published - you can access all content on Livewire Markets, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
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