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  • Bitcoin Is Replacing Legacy Finance | The Honest Money Show Ep. 7 ft. Peter Dunworth
    🎙️ Welcome to Episode 7 of The Honest Money ShowIn this episode, Anja is joined by Peter Dunworth, a private wealth advisor and co-founder of The Bitcoin Adviser. Known for his forward-thinking approach to estate planning and investment strategy, Peter breaks down Bitcoin as a triple point asset — functioning simultaneously as a store of value, medium of exchange, and unit of account.This conversation is rich in both technical insights and practical applications. Peter shares how he manages client expectations around Bitcoin's volatility, outlines the growing interest from baby boomers, and examines why institutions are increasingly eyeing Bitcoin as a serious component of their portfolios. They dive into the projected market size of Bitcoin, the structural changes happening in the financial landscape, and how collaborative custody models can protect assets from potential overreach.A major highlight of the episode is Peter’s introduction of the innovative Loan My Coins product — a Bitcoin-to-Bitcoin loan designed to eliminate counterparty risk and margin calls. Anja and Peter also tackle the importance of estate planning for Bitcoin holders, offering practical guidance on securing digital assets for future generations.This episode challenges outdated narratives and provides a thoughtful look at how Bitcoin is reshaping conversations around wealth, security, and sovereignty.🔗 Featured Links:The Bitcoin Adviser: https://content.thebitcoinadviser.com/honest-moneyLoan My Coins: https://www.loanmycoins.com/Peter’s X account: https://x.com/PeterBTCAdviser🔑 Key Takeaways:• Bitcoin is a triple point asset: store of value, medium of exchange, and unit of account• Volatility is manageable with structured client education and long-term planning• Loan My Coins offers innovative Bitcoin-backed lending with no margin calls• Estate planning is essential for digital asset holders• Collaborative custody enhances security and sovereignty• Baby boomers and institutions are increasingly exploring Bitcoin• Australia has a unique opportunity to lead in responsible Bitcoin adoption• Regulations and education must evolve together for safe mainstream adoption• Strategic Bitcoin loans can unlock liquidity without giving up ownership• Bitcoin's market potential spans into the quadrillions, signalling a major recalibration of global finance⏱️ Chapters:00:11 – Understanding Bitcoin as a Triple Point Asset04:49 – Managing Client Emotions and Volatility09:47 – The Future Market Size of Bitcoin14:29 – Adoption Trends and Institutional Interest19:39 – Challenges to Bitcoin Adoption24:31 – The Role of Governments and Regulations29:21 – Australia's Path to Bitcoin Adoption30:07 – Introducing Loan My Coins: A Unique Bitcoin Lending Product35:13 – Understanding the Risks and Benefits of Bitcoin Loans38:59 – Strategic Use Cases for Bitcoin-Collateralised Loans42:09 – Estate Planning and Bitcoin: Protecting Your Digital Assets45:58 – Collaborative Custody: The Future of Bitcoin Security50:56 – The Economic Value of Bitcoin in Today’s Market55:48 – The Future of Bitcoin: Early Adoption and Opportunities📌 About The Honest Money Show:The Honest Money Show explores the forces shaping our financial world — from monetary expansion and policy to Bitcoin. The podcast features in-depth conversations with thought leaders, economists, innovators, and everyday people who challenge mainstream narratives and offer grounded, actionable insights. It is built on the belief that understanding money is key to understanding power, freedom, and the future — and that financial literacy can empower people to take control of their lives in uncertain times, offering a sense of agency in a world that often feels out of their control.🔗 Connect with Us:Subscribe for weekly deep dives into the world of Bitcoin and financial literacy.Follow us on Instagram, X, and LinkedIn: @HonestMoneyShow#Bitcoin #TheBitcoinAdviser #TriplePointAsset #LoanMyCoins #BitcoinVolatility #EstatePlanning #BitcoinAdoption #FinancialLiteracy #HonestMoneyShow #BTC #BitcoinStrategy #BitcoinAustralia #WealthPreservation #PeterDunworth
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  • Breaking Free From Economic Slavery | The Honest Money Show Ep. 6 ft. Neal Flesher
    🎙️ Welcome to Episode 6 of The Honest Money ShowIn this episode, Anja is joined by Neal Flesher — author of Modern Chains: The Invisible Shackles of Economic Slavery— for a wide-ranging and thought-provoking conversation on the moral and philosophical foundations of money, the destructive nature of fiat currency, and the liberating potential of Bitcoin.Neal’s philosophical background shaped his understanding of economic systems, while his military experience instilled a deep sense of duty and discipline — both of which fuel his mission to expose the invisible chains of fiat and advocate for a more ethical, decentralised alternative. Together, Anja and Neal explore the ethical implications of currency debasement, the true nature of value, and how Bitcoin can serve as a path to individual sovereignty in a world built on economic control.This episode digs deep into the essence of economic freedom — discussing how communities, relationships, and individual responsibility play vital roles in breaking free from systems of control. As Neal says, “Reality reasserts itself” — and that truth becomes unavoidable when one examines the failures of fiat and the promise of Bitcoin.From the ethics of money to grassroots adoption, this is not just a conversation about finance — it is a call to reimagine the future of our monetary system through values, responsibility, and collective action.🔗 Featured Links:Neal’s book Modern Chains: modernchains.comNeal’s X account: https://x.com/NealFlesher🔑 Key Takeaways:Neal’s military experience shaped his view on systemic economic control.Modern Chains breaks down complex economic ideas through a moral lens.Fiat currency operates as a tool of economic slavery.Bitcoin represents a moral and ethical solution to fiat’s failures.Currency debasement causes societal decay and loss of personal autonomy.True economic freedom begins with understanding the ethics of money.Building strong communities is essential for Bitcoin’s future.The path to sovereignty requires personal responsibility and grassroots action.Economic systems are built on intention — and Bitcoin offers a better alternative.⏱️ Chapters:00:11 – Introduction to Neal Flesher and His Background02:54 – The Philosophical Journey into Economics05:42 – Military Experience and Its Influence on Economic Understanding09:03 – The Case Against Fiat Currency12:05 – Understanding Bitcoin as a Solution14:41 – Philosophical Foundations of Slavery and Money17:54 – The Nature of Value and Money20:43 – Debasement and Its Impact on Society23:30 – Intrinsic Value and Bitcoin’s Superiority26:50 – The Challenge of Orange Pilling29:44 – Moral Philosophy and Bitcoin Advocacy32:40 – The Role of Community in Bitcoin Adoption35:42 – Conclusion and Future Perspectives45:28 – Breaking Free from Chains51:20 – The Ethics of Economics57:48 – Bitcoin as a Tool for Sovereignty01:00:22 – The Role of Intentions in Systems01:04:18 – The Fight Against Fiat01:09:25 – Building Community and Relationships01:15:11 – The Power of Individual Agency📌 About The Honest Money Show:The Honest Money Show explores the forces shaping our financial world — from monetary expansion and policy to Bitcoin. The podcast features in-depth conversations with thought leaders, economists, innovators, and everyday people who challenge mainstream narratives and offer grounded, actionable insights. It is built on the belief that understanding money is key to understanding power, freedom, and the future — and that financial literacy can empower people to take control of their lives in uncertain times, offering a sense of agency in a world that often feels out of their control.🔗 Connect with Us:Subscribe for weekly deep dives into the world of Bitcoin and financial literacy.Follow us on Instagram, X, and LinkedIn: @HonestMoneyShow#Bitcoin #FiatCurrency #Sovereignty #EconomicSlavery #ModernChains #FinancialFreedom #PhilosophyOfMoney #NealFlesher #HonestMoneyShow
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  • Bitcoin SMSF vs Industry Super: Who Wins? | The Honest Money Show Ep. 5 ft. Andy Pattinson
    🎙️ Welcome to Episode 5 of The Honest Money ShowIn this episode, Anja is joined by Andy for a deep dive into the world of superannuation and Bitcoin — exploring how retirement savings can be reimagined through the lens of performance, legislation, and financial empowerment. They compare Bitcoin’s track record against traditional super funds, unpack the mechanics of using self-managed super funds (SMSFs) to gain direct exposure, and discuss the implications of recent legislative changes.The conversation also shines a light on the transition into retirement, particularly the challenges faced by women who often retire with smaller super balances. Anja and Andy discuss how Bitcoin can act as both a tool of wealth preservation and financial empowerment, offering a sense of control over retirement savings in a system that often feels rigid and outdated.From breaking down the risks of traditional super to exploring why Bitcoin has dramatically outperformed managed funds over the past decade, this episode challenges mainstream thinking on wealth management and asks whether diversification is truly necessary when one asset consistently outpaces the rest.🔗 Featured Links:Andy is a Partner at The Bitcoin Adviser: https://content.thebitcoinadviser.com/honest-money Learn more about Bitcoin SMSFs: https://www.bitcoinsuper.ioAndy's X account: https://x.com/AndyBTCAdviser🔑 Key Takeaways:Superannuation is often underused and misunderstood in wealth portfolios.Bitcoin has significantly outperformed traditional managed funds over the past decade.Moving super into Bitcoin is more straightforward than many believe.Self-managed super funds allow for greater control over investments, including Bitcoin.Legislative changes regarding superannuation can have significant implications for investors.Women often retire with smaller super balances, making Bitcoin a powerful tool for financial empowerment.The performance of Bitcoin can dramatically increase retirement savings over time.Understanding the risks of traditional super funds is crucial for investors.Bitcoin provides a sense of control and security over retirement savings.⏱️ Chapters:00:11 – Introduction to Superannuation and Bitcoin03:35 – Performance Comparison: Bitcoin vs. Superannuation Funds07:55 – The Mechanics of Moving Super into Bitcoin12:44 – Understanding Self-Managed Super Funds (SMSF)22:47 – Legislative Changes and Their Impact on Superannuation30:44 – Transitioning to Retirement: Key Considerations40:23 – Empowerment Through Bitcoin for Women in Superannuation📌 About The Honest Money Show:The Honest Money Show explores the forces shaping our financial world — from monetary expansion and policy to Bitcoin. The podcast features in-depth conversations with thought leaders, economists, innovators, and everyday people who challenge mainstream narratives and offer grounded, actionable insights. It’s built on the belief that understanding money is key to understanding power, freedom, and the future — and that financial literacy can empower people to take control of their lives in uncertain times, offering a sense of agency in a world that often feels out of their control.🔗 Connect with Us:Subscribe for weekly deep dives into the world of Bitcoin and financial literacy.Follow us on Instagram, X, and LinkedIn: @HonestMoneyShow#Superannuation #Bitcoin #SMSF #Retirement #Investment #WealthManagement #WomenInFinance #FinancialEmpowerment #Legislation #Performance #HonestMoneyShow
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  • Bitcoin vs Traditional Finance: Australian Perspective | The Honest Money Show Ep. 4 ft. Andrew Page
    🎙️ Welcome to Episode 4 of The Honest Money ShowIn this episode, Anja is joined by Andrew Page from Strawman, for an in-depth exploration of Bitcoin through the lens of traditional finance, media narratives, and economic history — with a sharp focus on how Bitcoin is perceived in Australia. Together, they discuss their personal journeys into Bitcoin, the value of open-mindedness in financial education, and why understanding history is key to grasping the long-term potential of this emerging monetary network.The conversation highlights the disconnect between Bitcoin and the traditional financial world, the role of media in shaping public sentiment, and the higher risks posed by altcoins. Andrew and Anja also examine how Bitcoin can act as a safe haven, its alignment with Austrian economics, and the importance of independent thinking in an era of mainstream financial narratives.Diving into psychological barriers like unit bias and market volatility, they break down how tools like DCA (dollar-cost averaging) and fractional ownership make Bitcoin more accessible than many realise. Ultimately, the discussion reaffirms Bitcoin’s resilience and long-term promise — not just as an investment, but as a response to the failures of traditional monetary systems.🔗 Featured Links:Andrew is a private investor and founder of Strawman - Australia’s premier online investment club: https://strawman.com/homeHoldings and performance: https://strawman.com/Strawman Andrew’s X account: https://x.com/sage_simian🔑 Key Takeaways:• Bitcoin is still overlooked in traditional finance circles.• Current market perception creates opportunity for those who understand Bitcoin’s fundamentals.• Education and historical context are crucial for new investors.• Media narratives tend to downplay Bitcoin’s value.• Bitcoin offers greater resilience and safety than altcoins.• Understanding unit bias helps investors see Bitcoin's true accessibility.• Volatility is part of the process — it’s not synonymous with risk.• Austrian economics provides a useful lens to understand Bitcoin.• Fractional ownership and DCA strategies lower the barrier to entry.• Independent thinking is critical in navigating financial truths.• Open-minded financial discussions foster better understanding of Bitcoin’s role.⏱️ Chapters:00:11 – Introduction to Bitcoin and Traditional Finance03:19 – The Current State of Bitcoin Understanding in Australia06:04 – The Impact of Media and Public Perception on Bitcoin09:06 – Personal Journeys into Bitcoin Understanding12:01 – The Evolution of Understanding Money and Bitcoin15:13 – Bitcoin as a Safe Haven Asset17:54 – The Risks of Altcoins vs. Bitcoin20:58 – Recommended Resources for Bitcoin Education23:45 – The Importance of Historical Context in Understanding Money27:00 – The Challenge of Convincing Skeptics30:01 – The Role of Personal Experience in Bitcoin Adoption33:02 – The Future of Bitcoin and Traditional Investments35:58 – The Broader Economic Implications of Bitcoin38:56 – The Importance of Open-Mindedness in Financial Discussions41:44 – Concluding Thoughts on Bitcoin and Society52:19 – The Lindy Effect and Bitcoin's Resilience55:30 – Value vs. Price: Understanding Bitcoin's Unique Dynamics01:00:31 – Unit Bias and the Perception of Bitcoin's Price01:02:05 – The Importance of Sats and Fractional Ownership01:06:13 – Volatility and the Psychology of Investing01:10:06 – The Role of Conviction in Bitcoin Investment01:14:58 – Austrian Economics and the Bitcoin Perspective01:20:17 – The Challenge of Independent Thinking in Economics📌 About The Honest Money Show:The Honest Money Show explores the forces shaping our financial world — from monetary expansion and policy to Bitcoin. The podcast features in-depth conversations with thought leaders, economists, innovators, and everyday people who challenge mainstream narratives and offer grounded, actionable insights. It’s built on the belief that understanding money is key to understanding power, freedom, and the future — and that financial literacy can empower people to take control of their lives in uncertain times, offering a sense of agency in a world that often feels out of their control.🔗 Connect with Us:Subscribe for weekly deep dives into the world of Bitcoin and financial literacy.Follow us on Instagram, X, and LinkedIn: @HonestMoneyShow#Bitcoin #TraditionalFinance #AustrianEconomics #Altcoins #BitcoinAustralia #FinancialEducation #Volatility #UnitBias #BitcoinInvestment #DigitalScarcity <...
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  • Bitcoin: The Real Deal in a Sea of Crypto Noise | The Honest Money Show Ep. 3 ft. JP Technology
    🎙️ Welcome to Episode 3 of The Honest Money ShowIn this episode, Anja and JP dive into the multifaceted world of Bitcoin, discussing its evolution and distinct value proposition. They tackle the common misunderstandings in the crypto community, where many overlook Bitcoin’s core features in favour of faster transaction claims made by other cryptocurrencies. Through the lens of game theory, they explore Bitcoin's design, its role in challenging central banking, and how it represents a true long-term investment opportunity.The conversation takes a deep dive into the crucial role of digital scarcity and the importance of understanding Bitcoin’s unique problem-solving ability for new investors. They also discuss how Bitcoin’s principles are rooted in Austrian economics, and how its structure aligns the interests of both individuals and the system. Cultural observations from JP’s travels and the importance of fostering a thriving Bitcoin community — and the role of women — are also explored.As the conversation unfolds, Anja and JP reflect on the journey of learning within the Bitcoin space, touching on how Bitcoin is much more than just a technological innovation — it’s a monetary revolution that continues to challenge traditional financial systems.🔗 Featured Links:Follow JP on X: @JP_TechnologySydney meetups: https://www.meetup.com/bitcoin_sydney/ 🔑 Key Takeaways:Community support was key in launching the podcast.The crypto community often misunderstands Bitcoin, focusing on speculative tokens.Bitcoin's unique qualities are often overshadowed by faster transaction claims from other cryptocurrencies.Bitcoin is a long-term investment, not a get-rich-quick scheme.Game theory plays a significant role in Bitcoin's success.Digital scarcity is a core feature that sets Bitcoin apart.The crypto narrative has failed to deliver on its promises over time.Understanding Bitcoin's problem-solving capabilities is vital for new investors.Bitcoin’s principles align with Austrian economics.Central banks present obstacles to Bitcoin’s broader adoption.Continuous learning is crucial in the Bitcoin space.Women-only events help foster a welcoming Bitcoin community.Bitcoin's privacy tools are crucial for personal safety.Cultural perceptions influence how Bitcoin is viewed globally.⏱️ Chapters:00:11 – The Journey to Podcasting Success03:06 – Insights from the Crypto Event05:51 – The Bitcoin vs. Crypto Debate08:46 – Understanding Bitcoin's Unique Value Proposition12:02 – The Evolution of Blockchain Narratives14:58 – The Importance of Game Theory in Bitcoin17:47 – The Role of Decentralisation in Bitcoin20:40 – The Problem-Solving Nature of Bitcoin23:45 – The Future of Bitcoin vs. Crypto36:15 – Ownership in the Digital Realm39:11 – The Crypto vs Bitcoin Debate42:28 – Gambling vs Investing in Crypto45:52 – Bitcoin as a Savings Account50:32 – The Simplicity of Bitcoin Investment53:20 – Bitcoin as a Monetary Phenomenon55:34 – Game Theory and Bitcoin's Incentives01:06:26 – Central Bankers and Bitcoin Perspectives01:11:14 – The Role of Central Banks in Bitcoin's Vision01:13:16 – Understanding the Bitcoin vs. Crypto Debate01:16:25 – Bitcoin as the Ultimate Monetary Solution01:18:07 – Continuous Learning in the Bitcoin Space01:19:22 – Debating Bitcoin: Engaging the Audience01:23:48 – Bitcoin Meetups: Building Community01:27:50 – Women in Bitcoin: Creating Inclusive Spaces01:30:03 – Experiences from the Bitcoin Conference in Seoul01:34:34 – The State of Australia: Economic Concerns and Bitcoin's Role📌 About The Honest Money Show:The Honest Money Show explores the forces shaping our financial world — from monetary expansion and policy to Bitcoin. The podcast features in-depth conversations with thought leaders, economists, innovators, and everyday people who challenge mainstream narratives and offer grounded, actionable insights. It’s built on the belief that understanding money is key to understanding power, freedom, and the future — and that financial literacy can empower people to take control of their lives in uncertain times, offering a sense of agency in a world that often feels out of their control.🔗 Connect with Us:Subscribe for weekly deep dives into the world of Bitcoin and financial literacy.📱 Follow us on Instagram, X, and LinkedIn: @HonestMoneyShow#Bitcoin #GameTheory #CryptoVsBitcoin #MonetaryRevolution #BitcoinCommunity #WomenInBitcoin #FinancialFreedom #DigitalScarcity
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The Honest Money Show is your guide to understanding what money really is — and why today’s system isn’t working. Hosted by Anja Dragovic, this show cuts through the noise to explore how money shapes our lives, where it’s gone wrong, and what a better future could look like. Along the way, you'll discover how Bitcoin fits into the bigger picture — not as hype, but as a serious response to a broken system. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or already down the
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