Evidence Based Birth®

When Holly and Nathan Miller learned their baby was breech late in pregnancy, the unmedicated vaginal birth they had been preparing for suddenly felt out of reach. Living in rural South Georgia, they explored their options, including finding a provider experienced in vaginal breech birth, but ultimately faced limited choices close to home.
 
In this episode, EBB Childbirth Class graduates Holly and Nathan share how they shifted their focus from the birth they had originally envisioned to creating a family-centered Cesarean experience. They talk about advocating for a clear drape and immediate skin-to-skin, navigating conflicting information from providers, and finding ways to remain active participants in their baby's birth. They also reflect on Cesarean recovery, the importance of partner support, and what they learned about speaking up for their preferences even when circumstances were outside their control.
 
(01:27) Finding Evidence Based Birth® and Preparing for an Unmedicated Birth
(03:33) When Birth Plans Began to Change
(05:03) Navigating Birth Options in Rural South Georgia
(07:51) Exploring ECV, Vaginal Breech Birth, and Cesarean
(10:24) Shifting Toward a Family-Centered Cesarean
(12:50) Advocating for a Clear Drape and Immediate Skin-to-Skin
(15:10) Holly and Nathan's Cesarean Birth Story
(17:43) What a Cesarean Felt Like Physically and Emotionally
(22:03) Meeting Eliana and Beginning Skin-to-Skin
(25:31) Breastfeeding and Recovering from a Cesarean
(28:53) Partner Support During Postpartum Recovery
(30:09) Advice for Navigating Breech Birth and Unexpected Changes
(31:53) Looking Ahead to a Future VBAC
 
Resources
EBB 256 – Top 3 Recommendations for Preventing Pelvic Floor Dysfunction after Birth with Dr. Sarah Duvall, Founder of Core Exercise Solutions
All About Breach
EBB 299 – A Breech Vaginal Birth Story with EBB Parents Naoma Kleisner, RN, MSN and Mohamed Koraichi
EBB 298 – Overcoming Barriers to Breech Vaginal Birth with Dr. Emiliano Chavira, OB/GYN and Maternal Fetal Medicine Specialist
EBB 297 – Frequently Asked Questions about Breech with Dr. Rebecca Dekker and Sara Ailshire, MA
EBB 296 – Evidence on Breech Birth with Dr. Rebecca Dekker and Sara Ailshire, MA
EBB 173 - Evidence on External Cephalic Version for Breech Positioned Babies
EBB 172 – Breech Vaginal Birth with Dr. Rixa Freeze and Dr. David Hayes
EBB 171 – The Experience of a Unique Vaginal Breech Birth with Janae and Andrew Rick
EBB 111 – Positioning Breech Babies with Dr. Elliot Berlin

In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker and Dr. Sara Ailshire examine the available evidence on planned unassisted birth, also known as freebirth, defined as intentionally giving birth without a qualified midwife or physician present.
 
They explore why some people choose a planned unassisted birth, including previous trauma, distrust of the medical system, barriers to preferred care, and a desire for greater autonomy. Dr. Dekker and Dr. Ailshire also explain how freebirth differs from midwife-attended home birth, what research shows about planned community birth, and the safeguards a trained birth attendant can provide during pregnancy, labor, birth, and the newborn period. Finally, they discuss investigative reporting concerning the Free Birth Society, including allegations of misinformation and preventable harm associated with its community.
 
Content Note: This episode includes discussions of stillbirth, maternal death, newborn death, birth trauma, and serious complications related to planned unassisted birth.
 
(00:03:20) What Is Freebirth?
(00:07:41) Prenatal Care, Wild Pregnancy, and Freebirth
(00:10:30) How Common Is Freebirth?
(00:14:27) The History and Origins of Freebirth
(00:22:16) Why Do Some People Choose Freebirth?
(00:26:14) What Do We Know About the Risks of Freebirth?
(00:34:42) The Role of Skilled Midwives in Home Birth Safety
(00:42:28) Free Birth Society Controversy
(00:53:49) Lessons from the Free Birth Society
(00:55:44) Warning Signs of Controlling Group Dynamics and Influencer Manipulation
(01:01:50) Final Takeaways on Freebirth, Safety, and Informed Decision-Making
 
View the full transcript for this episode at evidencebasedbirth.com.
 
Resources
EBB 23 – Home Birth Midwives

EBB 110 – Inside an Unplanned, Unassisted Home Birth with Parent Sabrina Tran
EBB 122 – Home birth during the pandemic with Vicki Penwell
EBB 292 – Confronting the Unknowns in Childbirth with Liesel Teen of the Mommy Labor Nurse
EBB 130 – Home Birth in the Black Community with Isis Rose
Count the Kicks: https://countthekicks.org/
PUSH Pregnancy: https://www.pushpregnancy.org/
Star Legacy Foundation: https://starlegacyfoundation.org/
Healthy Birth Day: https://healthybirthday.org/
CDC Stillbirth resources: https://www.cdc.gov/stillbirth/communication-resources/index.html
Share Pregnancy and Infant Loss Support: https://nationalshare.org/
Stillbirth and infant loss support communities: https://postpartum.net/group/stillbirth-and-infant-loss-support-for-parents/
 
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Bjellmo, S. & Iversen, J. K. (2025). "Unassisted home births in Norway: A growing concern." Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand 104(8): 1418-1419. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40536244/
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A passion for supporting families during birth is the foundation for a career as a doula. But once that foundation has been laid, it takes business skills, boundaries, and collaboration to be sustainable.
 
In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker talks with Katie Nyberg, founder of The Iowa Baby Ladies, about her journey from fifth-grade teacher to doula, trainer, and owner of one of Iowa's largest doula agencies. Katie shares the early lessons she learned about setting fees, communicating with clients, and navigating the unpredictable realities of on-call work. Katie also opens up about the exhaustion that once made her consider leaving birth work altogether, and the changes that helped her build a more sustainable career. She discusses how recognizing the root causes of burnout, diversifying income, creating intentional seasons of work and rest, and building supportive relationships with other doulas keep her going.
 
(02:05) Katie's journey from teacher to birth doula
(04:55) Early lessons in business, fees, and communication
(07:21) Setting healthy boundaries with clients
(11:40) Navigating childcare and the on-call doula lifestyle
(14:02) Preparing for long births and using backup support
(19:53) Recognizing and addressing doula burnout
(25:45) Saying no and making space for rest
(27:05) Growing The Iowa Baby Ladies
(33:41) Advice for new doulas getting started
(37:02) Overcoming imposter syndrome through education and experience
(43:13) Advice for building a lasting doula career


Resources
Learn more about the EBB Instructor Program: https://evidencebasedbirth.com/become-an-evidence-based-birth-instructor/
Find an EBB Instructor: https://evidencebasedbirth.com/find-an-instructor-parents/
Follow Katie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theiowababylady/
Learn more about the Iowa Baby Ladies: https://theiowababylady.com/
Evidence on: Doulas
EBB 364 – How to Prevent and Heal Birthworker Burnout with Doctoral Student Ihotu Ali and Grace Flannery, Certified Professional Midwife

Perinatal mental health is often a misunderstood landscape shaped by stigma, cultural expectations, and invisible struggles that touch entire families.
In this replay episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker sits down with Dr. Kat Kaeni, perinatal mental health certified psychologist, author of The Pregnancy Workbook, and host of the Mom & Mind podcast, to break the silence around postpartum anxiety, depression, OCD, and psychosis. Drawing on her professional expertise and personal experience, Dr. Kat reveals why shame and isolation are so common, how symptoms really show up for new parents, and what makes perinatal mental health distinct from other forms of mental illness.
They discuss the myths that keep parents suffering in silence, the real impact of mental health on babies and families, and how therapy and support groups, including free resources from Postpartum Support International, can empower families on the path to healing.
Content Warning: This episode includes discussions of perinatal mental health disorders, including postpartum depression, anxiety, OCD, and psychosis. Sensitive topics such as intrusive thoughts, stigma, feelings of guilt and shame, and the potential for harm to self or others are addressed. Listener discretion is advised, and we encourage anyone who may be affected by these topics to reach out for support through Postpartum Support International or a trusted healthcare provider.
(00:07:28) Unique Challenges in Perinatal Mental Health
(00:11:05) Caregivers' Mental Health and Bonding Challenges
(00:16:32) Parental Isolation Stemming from Anxiety and Depression
(00:21:53) Emergent Postpartum Psychosis Symptoms
(00:27:08) Overcoming Stigma in Perinatal Mental Health
(00:31:54) Thought and Behavior Change Therapy for Depression
(00:36:56) Perinatal Mental Health Challenges and Support
Resoureces
EBB 197 – Addressing Perinatal Mental Health for Communities of Color with the Co-Founders of the Perinatal Mental Health Alliance for People of Color, Divya Kumar, Jabina Coleman, and Desirée Israel

Postpartum Support International

The Mom & Mind Podcast

The Pregnancy Workbook: Manage Anxiety and Worry with CBT and Mindfulness Techniques


 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

Pregnancy, birth, and postpartum care should support the whole person, physically and mentally. In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker talks with board-certified OB/GYN and perinatal coach Dr. Jessica Vernon about how integrative medicine can create a more holistic and personalized approach to obstetric care.
 
Dr. Vernon explains how integrative care combines traditional Western medicine with complementary approaches such as therapy, physical therapy, acupuncture, yoga, breathwork, meditation, and nutrition. She also shares how her own experience with postpartum anxiety and depression transformed the way she practices medicine and deepened her understanding of the physical, emotional, and identity-related transitions into parenthood. Plus, get practical guidance for changing providers, asking informed questions after a prior Cesarean, and navigating the overwhelming, and sometimes unreliable, health information found through social media and artificial intelligence.
 
(00:02:03) Dr. Vernon's journey into obstetrics and the influence of midwifery
(00:05:47) Understanding matrescence and the transition into parenthood
(00:07:14) What integrative medicine looks like in pregnancy and postpartum care
(00:09:59) Bringing perinatal mental health and integrative medicine into obstetric practice
(00:12:19) Gaps in traditional perinatal care and the need for individualized support
(00:16:59) Supporting parents after infertility, pregnancy loss, birth trauma, or a difficult postpartum experience
(00:21:32) Why it is okay to change providers
(00:24:31) How infertility and pregnancy loss can shape a subsequent pregnancy
(00:27:25) Practicing evidence-based, person-centered care that protects patient autonomy
(00:29:02) Finding trustworthy pregnancy information online
(00:32:27) Balancing medical evidence with personal intuition and individual circumstances
 
Resources
Connect with Dr. Vernon and learn more about her 1:1 perinatal coaching: https://www.drjessicavernon.com/
Follow Dr. Vernon on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.jessicavernon/
Then Comes Baby: An Honest Conversation About Birth, Postpartum, and the Complex Transition to Parenthood by Dr. Jessica Vernon: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/then-comes-baby-9781538195925/
Matrescence: On Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Motherhood by Lucy Jones: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/714054/matrescence-by-lucy-jones/
Free Postpartum Support International online support groups: https://postpartum.net/get-help/psi-online-support-meetings/
PSI Perinatal Mental Health Provider Directory: https://postpartum.net/get-help/provider-directory/
 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.