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Maintenance Phase

Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes
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    Suzanne Somers Part 2

    11/11/2026 | 1h 17 mins.
    Suzanne drops her sitcom persona, picks up the ThighMaster and emerges as an early 2000's proto-Gwyneth.
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    Why We’re So Obsessed With ‘Mastering’ Our Thighs
    Inventor of the ThighMaster Stays On the Ball
    Self-Help Expert Gets Back Her Own
    Suzanne Somers, Cancer Expert
    Somers' new target: conventional cancer treatment 
    A Battle Over 'Juice of Youth' 
    Suzanne Somers Questions Newtown Shooter’s Diet
    The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme
    What Suzanne Somers Said About Supporting Donald Trump 
    Suzanne Somers Gets Flirty
    Suzanne Somers Is Dead at 76

    Video clips:
    ThighMaster ad 
    ButtMaster jingle 
    Al Roker interview 
    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!
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    Suzanne Somers Part 1

    03/11/2026 | 51 mins.
    In the 1990s, sitcom star Suzanne Somers introduced Americans to one of the bestselling pieces of exercise equipment of all time: The ThighMaster. On this episode, we explore her harrowing early years. Chat, where are we at on punching nuns?
    Watch Your Fat Friend on YouTube, Apple TV, Prime Video and Kinema
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    Suzanne Somers Fought Back Against Her Abusive Father—and Changed Her Life Forever 
    Kristen Wiig reads Suzanne Somers' poetry 
    TV GAMBLE: HIGH SALARIES VS. LOW RATINGS
    After the Fall by Suzanne Somers 
    Keeping Secrets by Suzanne Somers 
    Touch Me: The Poems of Suzanne Somers
    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!
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    RFK Jr.'s Buckwild Belief That HIV Doesn't Cause AIDS

    21/09/2026 | 1h 20 mins.
    The rise, fall and rise of the most nonsensical conspiracy theory we've ever heard.
    Thanks to Gregg Gonsalves for helping us fact-check this episode! 
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    Hear bonus episodes on Patreon
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    Links!
    Denying AIDS: Conspiracy Theories and Pseudoscience in a Post-COVID World
    Impure Science: AIDS, Activism, and the Politics of Knowledge
    The Duesberg Phenomenon
    AIDS Denialism Beliefs among People Living with HIV/AIDS
    HIV Denial in the Internet Era
    HIV Denial in the COVID Era
    How COVID conspiracy theories led to an alarming resurgence in AIDS denialism
    The Man Who Thought AIDS Was All In The Mind
    AIDS "Dissident" Seeks Redemption
    Truth and Heresy About AIDS
    Defending the boundaries of science
    Justice After AIDS Denialism
    AIDS Denialism vs. Science
    The Unbeliever
    Estimating the lost benefits of ARV use in South Africa
    Conspiracy beliefs about HIV/AIDS
    Are HIV/AIDS Conspiracy Beliefs a Barrier to HIV Prevention Among African Americans?
    HIV causes AIDS: Koch's postulates fulfilled
    AIDS And The Scientific Governance Of Medicine In Post-Apartheid South Africa
    The Denialists
    Has Duesberg a right of reply?
    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!
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    Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?

    27/07/2026 | 1h 13 mins.
    We’re nearly halfway through Trump's second term and we still don’t have a Surgeon General. What gives?

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    White House withdraws nomination of Janette Nesheiwat
    Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Distorted Key Parts of Her Résumé 
    Dr. Janette Nesheiwat takes role at Walter Reed treating Havana Syndrome
    When Did RFK Jr Start Listening to Calley and Casey Means? 
    What Casey Means and MAHA Want You to Fear
    Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Is Tearing the MAHA Movement Apart
    Trump surgeon general pick said mushrooms helped her find love
    The Dizzying Rise of MAHA Warrior Calley Means
    Casey Means Poised to Become Nation’s Top Doctor 
    Casey Means discloses financial ties to supplement industry 
    Laura Loomer Targets Trump’s Pick for Surgeon General
    The Bad Science of Good Energy 
    Trump's Surgeon General Pick Tried to Trademark MAHA 
    Can Trump's latest pick for surgeon general make it through confirmation?
    New surgeon general pick in deleted posts criticized Trump, RFK Jr
    Trump’s pick for SG sells supplement with ingredient banned by Pentagon 
    Trump’s new surgeon general pick deepens MAHA-MAGA rift
    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!
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    Salt

    10/06/2026 | 53 mins.
    In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here?
    Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe.
    Support us:
    Hear bonus episodes on Patreon
    Watch Aubrey's documentary
    Buy Aubrey's book
    Listen to Mike's other podcast
    Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more
    Links!
    The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America 
    Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Reduction for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease 
    Salt Wars 
    The INTERSALT Study: background, methods, findings, and implications
    Sodium reduction
    Sodium Intake Reduction: An Important But Elusive Public Health Goal
    Effects of Diet and Sodium Intake
    Salt intake, stroke, and cardiovascular disease
     Racial and Ethnic Differences in Sodium Sources and Sodium Reduction Behaviors Among US Adults
    The Great Salt Debate: So Bad?
    Salt guidelines draw heavy backlash
    Sodium Reduction in US Households’ Packaged Food and Beverage Purchases
    Blood pressure lowering efficacy of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors for primary hypertension
    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!
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Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.
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