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The Numbers Game

Nick Reilly, Jason Robinson
The Numbers Game
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  • The Numbers Game

    Build or Buy a Business? | The Huge Opportunity in Australia Right Now

    09/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    1.3 million Aussie small businesses are owned by baby boomers, and in the next few years we’ll see the biggest handover of small business ownership in a generation. For anyone thinking of starting one, today's ep looks at what it means to buy an existing business rather than build from scratch.

    On this episode, we discuss:

    (00:00) Intro

    (00:24) 1.3 Million Aussie Businesses Owned by Boomers

    (00:52) Why Boomers Haven't Planned Their Exit

    (01:51) Why Buying an Existing Business Wins

    (03:23) Why an Accountant Would Buy in 2026

    (04:42) A Hairdressing Supplier Buys a Salon

    (05:47) How to Build a Sellable Business Asset

    (06:58) Why Banks Won't Fund Business Buyers

    (07:45) How the US Funds Business Buyers

    (10:18) How Government-Backed Loans Would Pay Off

    (13:06) $31 Billion Sent to US Business Buyers

    (14:45) Buying the Business You Already Work In

    (18:32) Why Business Sellers Take Less Than Expected

     

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    Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

    The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

    Hosts:
    Nick Reilly
    Jason Robinson

    This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

    Check out our new website thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au. Browse the full show catalogue, jump straight to specific moments on the topics you love, or leave us a voice note.

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  • The Numbers Game

    Why Australia Isn't as Broken as the Media Says

    02/08/2026 | 30 mins.
    Nothing on the news feels like good news. Wages under pressure, taxes up, housing broken. But there's another story if you go looking for it. Today we lay out the bullish case for Australia in 2026: why we're still the third-richest country per household, and the business, property and tech plays going for anyone paying attention.

    On this episode, we discuss:

    (00:00) Intro

    (01:20) Voice Note From the Former Co-Host

    (04:23) Boomer Businesses Ripe for a Takeover

    (07:07) Tax Workarounds for Business Owners in 2026

    (08:19) Third-Richest Country Per Household

    (10:33) Why the $4.4 Trillion Super Pool Matters

    (12:39) Why Homeownership Still Wins in Australia

    (14:34) Renters Buying With 10% of the Deposit

    (15:47) Why 147,000 New Jobs Beat the Headlines

    (19:10) Why We Won't See a Housing Crash

    (21:29) Buying Property Without Negative Gearing

    (23:47) $15,000 Per Aussie From Mining Exports Alone

    (27:40) Why Big Tech Is Building Data Centres In Australia

    Check out the free resources from Inovayt here.

    Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

    The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

    Hosts:
    Nick Reilly
    Jason Robinson

    This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

    Check out our new website thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au. Browse the full show catalogue, jump straight to specific moments on the topics you love, or leave us a voice note.

    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
  • The Numbers Game

    Should Australia Ditch Super?

    26/07/2026 | 29 mins.
    Is there a case to ditch super in Australia? A clip doing the rounds by Senator Gerard Rennick says yes, and it turns out the argument is stronger than most people would think. Nick walks through why it stacks up on paper but breaks down in reality, from the fund returns and tax breaks people would give up, to what actually happens to money the second it lands in their pocket.

    On this episode, we discuss:

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:56) The Full 'Scrap Super' Clip Played

    (05:48) Why 40% Retire With a Mortgage

    (06:50) The $80K Earner's Super Squeeze

    (08:12) Why Most People Wouldn't Save the Money

    (10:57) What Small Business Debt Says About Habits

    (13:29) Why More Retirees Now Live Off Super

    (15:36) What KiwiSaver Shows About Voluntary Super

    (18:43) How Much Super Funds Actually Return

    (20:07) Why Super Taxes You Less Than Investing

    (21:24) Why the Wealthy Top Up Their Super

    (22:27) How One Couple Saved $90K in Tax

    (23:18) What Would Change if Super Went Voluntary

    (27:13) Why Super Should Stay Compulsory

    Check out the free resources from Inovayt here.

    Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

    The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

    Hosts:
    Nick Reilly
    Jason Robinson

    This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

    Check out our new website thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au. Browse the full show catalogue, jump straight to specific moments on the topics you love, or leave us a voice note.

    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
  • The Numbers Game

    Pokemon Cards vs Bitcoin, Gold and the ASX | A 25-Year Investment Comparison

    19/07/2026 | 23 mins.
    Pokemon cards are being treated as a serious investment by some Aussies right now, with collectors sitting on multi-million dollar portfolios. But do the numbers actually stack up as a solid investment? Jase has run the comparison of investing $10k in a vintage Pokemon collection against the ASX, gold and Bitcoin over the last 25 years.

    On this episode, we discuss:

     (00:00) Intro

    (02:26) A Living Room Full Of Pokemon Cards

    (04:24) $10K In Pokemon Vs Gold And ASX

    (05:31) From $10K To $2.5 Million In Pokemon

    (06:56) The 10,000% Charizard Card Return

    (08:10) When COVID Sparked The Pokemon Hype

    (09:25) Bitcoin's 800% Return Since 2020

    (11:11) The 9.7 Billion Card Print Problem

    (13:39) When $10K In Modern Pokemon Becomes $3K

    (15:23) Logan Paul's $16.5 Million Pokemon Sale

    (16:02) The Tax Side Of Pokemon Collectibles

    (16:57) The $500 Rule That Saves You Tax

    (19:25) Why Pokemon Losses Only Offset Pokemon Gains

    (22:15) Why You Should Take Wins And Diversify

    Check out the free resources from Inovayt here.

    Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

    The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

    Hosts:
    Nick Reilly
    Jason Robinson

    This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

    Check out our new website thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au. Browse the full show catalogue, jump straight to specific moments on the topics you love, or leave us a voice note.

    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
  • The Numbers Game

    Buying Commercial Property With Your Super in 2026 | What the Numbers Say

    12/07/2026 | 21 mins.
    There's a resurgence of Aussies buying commercial property in Self-managed Super Funds. Nick's found a real-world example of a commercial shed in regional Victoria that could generate $133K a year, and he breaks down the numbers of what this would look like as an investment in 2026.

    On this episode, we discuss:

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:45) Inside The SMSF Resurgence

    (03:33) When Property Income Falls Short At Retirement

    (05:33) How Commercial Property Improves Cash Flow

    (07:30) Building A 25-Year Commercial Property Strategy

    (08:53) The $1.2 Million Shepparton Shed

    (09:42) What 3% Growth Could Look Like

    (10:39) How The Loan And Deposit Work for an SMSF

    (11:43) $35K a Year Covers the Loan Gap

    (15:06) What the Asset Could Look Like in 25 Years

    (16:30) Three Tax-Free Options At Retirement

    (18:54) Where to Start

    Check out the free resources from Inovayt here.

    Send us an email: hello@thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au

    The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.

    Hosts:
    Nick Reilly
    Jason Robinson

    This podcast is produced by VIDPOD.

    Check out our new website thenumbersgamepodcast.com.au. Browse the full show catalogue, jump straight to specific moments on the topics you love, or leave us a voice note.

    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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About The Numbers Game
The Numbers Game — It’s finance, investment and business but not as you know it. Each week Jason Robinson (CPA Accountant), Nick Reilly (Planner) come together to bring you strategy and advice around the importance of knowing your numbers in life and business. Numbers really do tell a story so let us help you make it a good one.
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