Decoder with Nilay Patel

Experian is one of those giant multinationals convoluted enough to have multiple CEOs all over the world, so first I asked Alex Lintner, Experian's CEO of technology and software solutions, to dig into the classic Decoder questions and explain how all of that even works.

He oversees big operations like security and privacy, and now, of course, AI. If you want to participate in the modern economy — rent an apartment, buy a car, get a job, etc  — you’re part of Experian’s ecosystem, whether you like it or not. At its heart, Experian’s core service is data about people and the choices they make. And this extremely valuable data weirdly makes Experian a part of your life  — a life that becomes much smoother if the data the company collects about you tells a good story. 

Links: 

Roughly half of Americans are knowledgeable about personal finance | Pew Research

How Americans view data privacy | Pew Research

Consumer voices on credit reports and scores | CFPB

Mercedes-Benz CEO Ola Källenius on Decoder | The Verge

The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid | 404 Media

T-Mobile customers exposed in major Experian breach (2015) | The Verge

All the news about the Equifax breach | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Grok, the chatbot made by Elon Musk’s xAI, is able to make all manner of AI-generated images on demand, including non-consensual intimate images of women and minors. It's the kind of "controversy" that would have completely sunk a platform five or 10 years ago, but now it seems clear that Elon wants Grok to be able to do this.

A lot of people feel like someone should be able to do something about a one-click harassment machine like this. But who has that power, and what they can do with it, is a deeply complicated question,tied up in the thorny mess of history that is content moderation and the legal precedents that underpin it. So I invited Riana Pfefferkorn, from the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence, to come talk me through it.

Links: 

Grok’s gross AI deepfakes problem | The Verge

Grok is undressing children — can the law stop it? | The Verge

Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai are cowards | The Verge

Senate passes a bill to let nonconsensual deepfake victims sue | The Verge

EU looks to ban nudification apps following Grok outrage | Politico

Grok flooded X with millions of sexualized images | The New York Times

The Supreme Court just upended internet law | The Verge

Mother of Elon Musk’s son sues xAI over sexual deepfake images | AP

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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We’re back to start the year with a very special live interview with Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan, which we taped in front of a terrific audience at Brooklyn Bowl in Las Vegas during CES. At this year’s show, Razer made headlines for something it calls Project Ava, an AI companion that has a physical presence in the real world, as an anime hologram that sits in a jar on your desk. It’s powered by, you guessed it, Elon Musk’s Grok. 

There are a whole lot of choices bundled up in all of that, as well as Razer’s decision to go all-in on AI at a moment when the gaming community is outright rejecting it. So Min and I really got into it. I think you’ll have a lot to think about with this one. 

Links: 

Razer is making an AI anime waifu hologram for your desk | The Verge

Razer thinks you’d rather have AI headphones instead of glasses | The Verge

Baldur’s Gate 3 studio says it won’t use AI for concept art or writing | The Verge

In 2025, AI became a lightning rod for gamers and devs | The Verge

Razer plans $600M push to capture 'untapped' AI gaming demand | Bloomberg

Replika CEO says it’s okay if we end up marrying AI chatbots | Decoder

Lawsuits blame ChatGPT for suicides and harmful delusions | NYT

Inside three longterm relationships with AI chatbots | NYT

Torment Nexus | Know Your Meme

The future of gaming is AI | Razer (Instagram)

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. We’re settling back in here after the winter break and CES, and we’ll have new episodes for you starting next Monday. In the meantime, we wanted to highlight one of our favorites from last year: an interview with journalist and author Megan Greenwell about her book Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream.

My conversation with Megan last year was extremely illuminating as to why private equity does what it does to industries like healthcare, media and real estate — and just how deeply it's affecting the everyday lives of Americans everywhere. It's a really great conversation that feels just as timely today as it did last summer. Enjoy. 

Links: 

Bad Company | HarperCollins

How private equity kills companies and communities | Decoder

Private equity bought out your doctor and bankrupted Toys ‘R’ Us | Decoder

Private equity makes its first college sports play | Axios

Private equity Is gutting America — and getting away with it | NYT

I was fired from Deadspin for refusing to ‘stick to sports’ | NYT

Will private equity be the next ‘Big Short’? | Marketplace

The profit-obsessed monster destroying American ERs | Vox

Why your vet bill is so high | The Atlantic

The investment firms leave behind a barren wasteland’ | Politico

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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We’ve got something special for you today. It’s my friend Hank Green, longtime YouTuber, science educator, and viral TikTok star, interviewing Dropout CEO Sam Reich. 

Hank did this episode as a guest host over the summer, and it’s a fan favorite, bringing together two internet personalities that’ve known each other for a very long time and who have a lot of inside knowledge about how the internet, Hollywood, and entertainment all intertwine.

Links: 

Dropout’s Sam Reich on business, comedy, and keeping the internet weird | Decoder

How Dropout broke through in 2025 | AV Club

Dropout CEO on launching ‘Superfan’ tier, crossing 1M subscribers | Variety

How CollegeHumor reinvented itself for the new internet age | People

CollegeHumor shaped online comedy. What went wrong? [2020] | Wired

‘I believe in this enough to try to do it myself’ [2020] | Digiday

Jacob Wysocki needed a minute to process that Game Changer | Vulture


Game Changer smartly weaponizes its online following | Mashable

Vimeo CEO Philip Moyer is betting on the human touch | Decoder

Vimeo to be acquired by Bending Spoons for $1.38B | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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