The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan

At some point, every founder has to do the thing nobody trains you for and nobody really talks about: letting someone go. It is not easy, it is not fun, and I am not going to pretend otherwise. But out of all my founder friends, I am yet to meet one who said they fired someone too early. Everyone says the same thing. They dragged it on for far too long.

Here is why it is so hard: it is not a business problem, it is an emotional one. You feel guilty, you sold this person the dream, and part of you believes that if they are not performing, it is your failure as a leader. But keeping someone in a role that is not working is not leadership. It is avoidance.

In this episode, I share the framework I use to separate the emotion from the decision, the five signals that tell you it is time, and how to actually have the conversation with dignity.

Here’s what you’ll take away:

Why the real cost of keeping the wrong person is the opportunity cost, and why you always realise you should have acted months or years earlier

The five signals it is time: from “managing around them” to having the same conversation three times to your A players quietly carrying the load

The three strikes principle and why putting feedback in writing from the first conversation matters

The three mistakes I have made myself: keeping people out of loyalty, moving them sideways instead of making the call, and waiting for the “perfect time”

How to actually do it respectfully: keep it under 15 minutes, own it, talk about the role not their character, and be generous where you can

Why you should never speak badly about someone after they leave, and the reframe that keeping the wrong person, not firing them, is the real failure of leadership

If you have someone in mind right now, someone you keep going back and forth on, this episode will help you find the courage to make the call, be kind about it, and raise the bar for everyone who stays.

If you’re loving this solo series, I’d love to hear your feedback. Email me directly at nathan@foundr.com — I read every reply. Hope you enjoy it.

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Lukas Pakter filmed his bank account and posted it to the internet: $80,000 in debt, $100 to his name, an activewear brand quietly dying. A year and a half later he’s doing over $250,000 a day, on track for $70-80 million this year, and has turned his growth playbook into Trybe - a creator-sales platform now used by over 16,000 brands. The shift that changed everything was a single realisation: making other people money makes you more money. Instead of being the one guy filming TikTok Shop videos, he turned his best customers into an army of sellers - and built the software to run it.

In this interview, Lukas breaks down the creator playbook he learned from his mentor Hudson, why he placed a single purchase order bigger than every PO in his company’s history combined, and the counterintuitive reason older creators are quietly outselling 23-year-olds.

What you’ll learn in this interview:

The mentor deal everyone told him to refuse: giving away 10% of his company on nothing but a handshake

The core shift: why making other people money is the fastest way to make your own

The creator playbook: turning your best customers into a sales army that reaches thousands at once

Why he runs 8,000 unique creative angles a month - and how he blew past Meta’s ad limit

The all-in PO: why he ordered more inventory in one quarter than every order in company history combined

How he landed net-120 payment terms by flying out and showing his manufacturer the technology

The three pillars of a monster brand: a great product, a great offer, and a great sales team

Why he gives away equity and 50-100% bonuses to stop competitors poaching his team

What six failed businesses since age nine taught him about real product-market fit

Why older creators are outselling college kids - and the trust factor most brands are ignoring

If you’re building a DTC brand, trying to crack creator-led or affiliate sales, or wrestling with how to grow fast without burning cash, this conversation will fundamentally change how you think about risk, creators, and what it actually takes to scale from near-bankrupt to nine figures.

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Website → https://www.lukaspakter.com/

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I do a lot of enrollment calls for Foundr Operators, and I keep seeing the same pattern. A founder gets on a call doing a 5 or 6x return, literally printing money, and they will not scale. They are terrified to spend more. And if I had understood the principle behind this ten years ago, I would have made tens of millions of dollars more. That is a big claim, so hear me out.

Here is what is actually happening: these founders are not bad at business. They are sharp, with great products. But they are making decisions on how they feel and whether they made money on the first purchase. And the fastest growing DTC brands are often the ones losing money on that first sale, scaling aggressively, because they know their back end numbers cold.

In this episode, I break down why a profitable ad account stays small, the numbers you need to know to scale with confidence, and the mindset shift that separates reckless from confident.

Here's what you'll take away:

• Why the real reason you are not scaling is not your ads, your algorithm, or your creative, it is that you do not trust your numbers enough to act on them
• The Dan Kennedy principle that the company that can spend the most to acquire a customer wins, and what it actually means for your ad account
• Why the brands doing $2M to $10M a month are happy to lose money on the front end, and how they know it comes back
• How to track LTV by cohort instead of a blended average that hides everything
• Why your payback period is the number that changes everything psychologically, with a simple example of a "loss" that is actually profit by day 60
• How to build a back end worth betting on, from subscriptions to Rob Ward's Quad Lock ecosystem that sold for half a billion dollars

If you are sitting on a profitable ad account and not scaling, this episode will show you exactly why, and the four things to work on so you can spend with confidence instead of fear.

If you're loving this solo series, I'd love to hear your feedback. Email me directly at nathan@foundr.com — I read every reply. Hope you enjoy it.

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Three best friends put in $250 each - $750 total - printed 100 hats in a garage, and sold out in 36 hours. No following. No ads. No business plan. Four and a half years later, Dad Gang has done over $40 million in revenue selling hats built around one idea: dads deserve better than goofy, frumpy products that make fatherhood a punchline. The craziest part? Grant, Bart and Ejay still run the entire thing with zero employees, a private Facebook group of 15,000 dads, and an equity partnership with Gary Vaynerchuk - and they're deliberately building it as a lifestyle business, not a rocket ship.

In this interview, the founders of Dad Gang break down why they sold one single hat for the first eight months, how they built a fiercely loyal community by refusing to outsource DMs, and the deliberate choice to stay lean while everyone tells them to put their foot on the gas.

What you'll learn in this interview:
• Why two decades of failed side projects set them up to move fast when Dad Gang hit
• The one-hat strategy: why they resisted new colors and SKUs for eight months to nail the brand first
• How they turned a 40-day stockout into a community-building engine instead of a disaster
• Why they boosted posts at $10 a day for audience growth instead of running conversion ads while sold out
• The 15,000-dad private Facebook group that tells them exactly what products to make
• Why they still answer every DM, email and comment themselves four and a half years in - no community manager
• How staying lean with a 3PL and contractors let them each quit their jobs sooner
• Why the hat became a symbol dads connect over offline - and the raw stories that fuel the brand
• How the Gary Vee equity partnership came about through years of working with Vayner Sports first
• Why they measure success by homes reached and impact on kids, not just revenue

If you're building a DTC or community-led brand, wrestling with whether to launch more products or go deeper on one, or questioning whether you have to scale at all costs, this conversation will fundamentally change how you think about community, focus, and building a business around the life you actually want.

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CONNECT WITH DAD GANG
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Website → https://www.dadgang.co/

Bart's Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

Ejay's Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/ejayodonnell/

Grant's Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/geastey/

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Ryan Thompson ran a restaurant for 25 years, sold a couple of quick-serve spots, built a financial services company, and even ran a motel before he noticed the craft distillery movement taking off and decided someone in Vail, Colorado ought to start one - so it might as well be him. He went to Moonshine University in Kentucky, learned distilling from A to Z, wrote a business plan, and scraped together every dollar he could. Thirteen years later, 10th Mountain Whiskey & Spirit Company makes seven spirits, runs two tasting rooms, and donates to military nonprofits - named in honour of the historic 10th Mountain Division that helped start American skiing (and, as it happens, Nike).

In this episode, Ryan is candid about the unglamorous reality of scaling a spirits brand online: the genuinely bizarre regulatory maze of shipping alcohol across state lines, why his growth has never looked like a hockey stick, and the brick-by-brick philosophy that's quietly doubled his monthly sales.

What you'll learn in this interview:

Why a 120-seat restaurant and a fixed-bed motel have a hard ceiling on growth - and how that revenue cap is exactly what pulled Ryan toward the uncapped potential of e-commerce

How he started distilling on a tiny 13-gallon still (nicknamed Old Bessie) to keep early mistakes small and cheap, before scaling to a 500-gallon copper column still

Why he launched through two tasting rooms first - getting direct, over-the-bar customer feedback for a full year before selling a single bottle online

The regulatory maze most founders never see: being banned from direct-to-consumer sales entirely, the Washington D.C. licensed-liquor-store workaround, and why his online orders start in Colorado but ship from D.C.

Why he can only ship directly from his distillery to two states - California and Arizona - and how a fulfilment partner (Rackhouse) handles the rest

How he turned a tasting-room visitor behaviour (not wanting to check a bag with a bottle in it) into early organic online sales with no ad spend

The hire that changed everything: spotting 15 years of digital agency experience on a resume submitted for a tasting-room job, and redirecting that person to run marketing instead

Why his growth has always been slow and steady rather than explosive - and the "nice brick in the wall" mindset of stacking 2-4% conversion improvements instead of chasing a single game-changer

The real numbers: roughly $20-25K/month before joining Founder Operators in March 2026, climbing toward a $40-50K/month average - close to double - on the back of consistent CRO work

The most valuable and transferable takeaway: the confidence that the e-commerce skills he's building now could be applied to selling anything, in any industry, on any website

If you're building in a highly regulated or "unsexy" category - or you're frustrated that your growth looks like a slow climb instead of a rocket ship - this episode is for you. Ryan's story is a grounded reminder that steady, compounding improvements and deep conviction in your brand's purpose can build something durable, even when every rule in your industry seems designed to slow you down.

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