"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the co...
Zvi’s POV: Ilya’s SSI, OpenAI’s o1, Claude Computer Use, Trump’s election, and more
In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, Nathan welcomes back Zvi Mowshowitz for an in-depth discussion on the latest developments in AI over the past six months. They explore Ilya's new superintelligence-focused startup, analyze OpenAI's O1 model, and debate the impact of Claude's computer use capabilities. The conversation covers emerging partnerships in big tech, regulatory changes, and the recent OpenAI profit-sharing drama. Zvi offers unique insights on AI safety, politics, and strategic analysis that you won't find elsewhere. Join us for this thought-provoking episode that challenges our understanding of the rapidly evolving AI landscape.
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) Teaser
(00:01:03) About the Episode
(00:02:57) Catching Up
(00:04:00) Ilya's New Company
(00:06:10) GPT-4 and Scaling
(00:11:49) User Report: GPT-4 (Part 1)
(00:18:11) Sponsors: Shopify | Notion
(00:21:06) User Report: GPT-4 (Part 2)
(00:24:25) Magic: The Gathering (Part 1)
(00:32:34) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) | SelectQuote
(00:34:58) Magic: The Gathering (Part 2)
(00:35:59) Humanity's Last Exam
(00:41:29) Computer Use
(00:47:42) Industry Landscape
(00:55:42) Why is Gemini Third?
(01:04:32) Voice Mode
(01:09:41) Alliances and Coupling
(01:16:31) Regulation
(01:24:58) Machines of Loving Grace
(01:33:23) Taiwan and Chips
(01:41:13) SB 1047 Veto
(02:00:07) Arc AGI Prize
(02:02:23) Deepfakes and UBI
(02:09:06) Trump and AI
(02:26:31) AI Manhattan Project
(02:32:05) Virtue Ethics
(02:38:40) Closing Thoughts
(02:40:37) Outro
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AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo
In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, Nathan explores AI forecasting and AGI Lab oversight with Dean W. Ball and Daniel Kokotajlo. They discuss four proposed requirements for frontier AI developers, focusing on transparency and whistleblower protections. Daniel shares insights from his experience at OpenAI, while Dean offers his perspective as a frequent guest. Join us for a compelling conversation on concrete AI governance proposals and the importance of collaboration across political lines in shaping the future of AI development.
Check out:
Time Article - 4 Ways to Advance Transparency in Frontier AI Development: https://time.com/collection/time100-voices/7086285/ai-transparency-measures/
Alignment Forum Article - What 2026 looks like: https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/6Xgy6CAf2jqHhynHL/what-2026-looks-like
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SPONSORS:
Shopify: Shopify is the world's leading e-commerce platform, offering a market-leading checkout system and exclusive AI apps like Quikly. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Get a $1 per month trial at https://shopify.com/cognitive
Notion: Notion offers powerful workflow and automation templates, perfect for streamlining processes and laying the groundwork for AI-driven automation. With Notion AI, you can search across thousands of documents from various platforms, generating highly relevant analysis and content tailored just for you - try it for free at https://notion.com/cognitiverevolution
Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI): Oracle's next-generation cloud platform delivers blazing-fast AI and ML performance with 50% less for compute and 80% less for outbound networking compared to other cloud providers13. OCI powers industry leaders with secure infrastructure and application development capabilities. New U.S. customers can get their cloud bill cut in half by switching to OCI before December 31, 2024 at https://oracle.com/cognitive
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🎙️ Unpack Pricing - Dive into the dark arts of SaaS pricing with Metronome CEO Scott Woody and tech leaders. Learn how strategic pricing drives explosive revenue growth in today's biggest companies like Snowflake, Cockroach Labs, Dropbox and more.
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765716600
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/38DK3W1Fq1xxQalhDSueFg
CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) Teaser
(00:00:53) About the Show
(00:01:16) About the Episode
(00:04:47) Introducing Daniel Kokotajlo
(00:09:29) Daniel's 2026 Prediction
(00:16:11) Sponsors: Shopify | Notion
(00:19:07) AI Propaganda & Censorship
(00:26:58) Internet Balkanization
(00:35:38) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI)
(00:38:24) AGI Timelines & Futures
(00:48:15) Automated R&D
(00:54:48) Superintelligence & AGI
(00:58:25) AI Transparency Proposals
(01:06:11) Four Pillars of Transparency
(01:19:02) Red Teaming Transparency
(01:41:07) Whistleblower Protections
(01:46:32) Internal Information Sharing
(01:54:55) External Oversight & Governance
(01:58:56) Future Outlooks
(02:00:44) Outro
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Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast
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AI Under Trump? The Stakes of 2024 w/ Joshua Steinman [Pt 2 of 2]
In this special episode of The Cognitive Revolution, Nathan shares his thoughts on the upcoming election and its potential impact on AI development. He explores the AI-forward case for Trump, featuring an interview with Joshua Steinman. Nathan outlines his reasons for not supporting Trump, focusing on US-China relations, leadership approach, and the need for a positive-sum mindset in the AI era. He discusses the importance of stable leadership during pivotal moments and explains why he'll be voting for Kamala Harris, despite some reservations. This thought-provoking episode offers a nuanced perspective on the intersection of politics and AI development.
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Shopify: Shopify is the world's leading e-commerce platform, offering a market-leading checkout system and exclusive AI apps like Quikly. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Get a $1 per month trial at https://shopify.com/cognitive
Notion: Notion offers powerful workflow and automation templates, perfect for streamlining processes and laying the groundwork for AI-driven automation. With Notion AI, you can search across thousands of documents from various platforms, generating highly relevant analysis and content tailored just for you - try it for free at https://notion.com/cognitiverevolution
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
🎙️ Unpack Pricing - Dive into the dark arts of SaaS pricing with Metronome CEO Scott Woody and tech leaders. Learn how strategic pricing drives explosive revenue growth in today's biggest companies like Snowflake, Cockroach Labs, Dropbox and more.
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765716600
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/38DK3W1Fq1xxQalhDSueFg
CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:00:22) Sponsors: Weights & Biases RAG++
(00:01:28) About the Episode
(00:13:13) Reflecting on Trump
(00:15:32) Introducing Josh
(00:16:35) AI Arms Race Concerns
(00:20:20) Arms Race History
(00:22:35) Building Trust
(00:25:19) Ashenbrenner Model
(00:27:17) Global Good vs. Self-Interest
(00:28:20) Sponsors: Shopify | Notion
(00:31:16) Working with Trump
(00:33:54) Media Misrepresentation
(00:40:09) Cabinet Member Leverage
(00:44:41) Sponsors: LMNT
(00:46:23) China's Communist Party
(00:48:36) AI and National Policy
(00:50:14) The Reality of AGI
(00:52:39) Framing the Disagreement
(01:01:41) Slaughterbots and AI Future
(01:04:24) Risks of Engagement
(01:09:29) Sustainability of Military Tech
(01:13:01) Closing Statements
(01:14:55) Outro
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1:17:00
The Case for Trump and the Future of AI – Part 1, with Samuel Hammond, Senior Economist, Foundation of American Innovation
In this special episode of The Cognitive Revolution, Nathan shares his thoughts on the upcoming election and its potential impact on AI development. He explores the AI-forward case for Trump, featuring an interview with Samuel Hammond. Nathan outlines his reasons for not supporting Trump, focusing on US-China relations, leadership approach, and the need for a positive-sum mindset in the AI era. He discusses the importance of stable leadership during pivotal moments and explains why he'll be voting for Kamala Harris, despite some reservations. This thought-provoking episode offers a nuanced perspective on the intersection of politics and AI development.
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SPONSORS:
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Shopify: Shopify is the world's leading e-commerce platform, offering a market-leading checkout system and exclusive AI apps like Quikly. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Get a $1 per month trial at https://shopify.com/cognitive
Notion: Notion offers powerful workflow and automation templates, perfect for streamlining processes and laying the groundwork for AI-driven automation. With Notion AI, you can search across thousands of documents from various platforms, generating highly relevant analysis and content tailored just for you - try it for free at https://notion.com/cognitiverevolution
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:00:22) Sponsors: Weights & Biases RAG++
(00:01:28) About the Episode
(00:13:13) Introductions
(00:14:22) The Case for Trump
(00:16:32) Trump: A Wildcard
(00:26:10) Sponsors: Shopify | Notion
(00:29:06) Ideological AI Policy
(00:33:47) Republican Ideologies
(00:40:31) Sponsors: LMNT
(00:42:11) Trump and Silicon Valley
(00:47:49) Republican Nuance
(00:53:36) Elon Musk and AI
(00:55:43) Utilitarian Analysis
(00:58:01) Internal Consistency
(01:00:31) Trump's Cabinet
(01:05:53) Immigration Reform
(01:15:30) Creative Destruction
(01:22:29) Racing China
(01:32:51) The Chip Ban
(01:44:20) Standard Setting
(01:48:36) Values and Diplomacy
(01:52:50) American Strength
(01:55:56) Red Queen Dynamic
(01:59:23) Interest Groups & AI
(02:08:32) Concluding Thoughts
(02:17:45) Outro
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2:19:49
Breaking: Gemini's Major Update - Search, JSON & Code Features Revealed by Google PMs
Nathan interviews Google product managers Shrestha Basu Mallick and Logan Kilpatrick about the Gemini API and AI Studio. They discuss Google's new grounding feature, allowing Gemini models to access real-time web information via Google search. The conversation explores Gemini's rapid growth, its position in the AI landscape, and Google's competitive strategy. Nathan shares insights from integrating Gemini into his own application and ponders the future of large language model capabilities across providers. Tune in for an in-depth look at Google's AI API product strategy and the latest Gemini features.
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Shopify: Shopify is the world's leading e-commerce platform, offering a market-leading checkout system and exclusive AI apps like Quikly. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Get a $1 per month trial at https://shopify.com/cognitive
Notion: Notion offers powerful workflow and automation templates, perfect for streamlining processes and laying the groundwork for AI-driven automation. With Notion AI, you can search across thousands of documents from various platforms, generating highly relevant analysis and content tailored just for you - try it for free at https://notion.com/cognitiverevolution
LMNT: LMNT is a zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix that's redefining hydration and performance. Ideal for those who fast or anyone looking to optimize their electrolyte intake. Support the show and get a free sample pack with any purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/tcr
CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:00:53) Sponsors: Weights & Biases RAG++
(00:01:28) About the Episode
(00:04:15) Gemini API Growth
(00:05:26) Intro to AI Studio
(00:07:35) Vertex vs. AI Studio
(00:09:33) Developer Adoption
(00:14:23) Gemini Use Cases (Part 1)
(00:17:41) Sponsors: Shopify | Notion
(00:20:01) Gemini Use Cases (Part 2)
(00:23:08) Multimodality & Flash
(00:26:29) Free Tier & Costs
(00:31:43) Inference Costs
(00:32:55) Fine-tuning & Vision
(00:36:59) Sponsors: LMNT
(00:38:04) Search Grounding
(00:44:42) Grounding Sources
(00:46:58) Competitive Landscape
(00:50:36) Design Decisions
(00:54:54) Outro
SOCIAL LINKS:
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Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast
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About "The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.
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